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Network superior Wisconsin welcome to

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just energy radio with your host

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naturopath and medical intuitive dr.

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Reid Luiz we have learned from

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Einstein's theory that matter and energy

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are one physicists believe that all

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systems of nature have their own

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particular way of vibrating from the

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swinging of a pendulum to the waves of

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the ocean to the light that brightens

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the sky each day each of these

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oscillates at its own unique gray the

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same holds true for every thought

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feeling event the word we speaking each

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has its own frequency or rate of

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vibration what many of us don't realize

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is when we take everything in our

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universe down to its simplest form it is

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all just energy join dr. Luiz on a

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journey through time and space we're

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past present and future collide today

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what you believe may be called into

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question what we want to know is who

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made up the rules be brave and step

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outside the box we are about to turn our

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unknown hold on we are departing our own

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beliefs and entering alternative realms

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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yet another great episode for you today

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Brandon Hurd is a US Army veteran which

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service in Afghanistan and Iraq he has a

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master's degree in psychology as well as

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a BS in management he has researched and

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reported on mysterious locations

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Mississippi and please welcome to Just

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Energy Radio Brandon heard hey Brandon

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how are you hey I'm doing fine thanks

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for having me doctor we do well I am

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just so glad to have you come on you

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really research antiquities in America

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things out because people are always you

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just think that there's a big hole and

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starting to fill those gaps that well

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I'm glad you know there is a big hole

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there's a huge gaping hole okay mm-hmm

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and there's there's a school of thought

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that can I believe fill that hole and

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get to that we are like so not there yet

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so not there yet but I wasn't gonna go

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here the here yet why do you think that

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you know we go when we investigate all

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these other countries why isn't there

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any investigation that's really

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jumps in on this whole question but I'd

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like to get your thought on that topic

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the academic or in the academic world

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what is quote unquote accepted history

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that follows outside of quote/unquote

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I've got one too but you go first okay

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so my little conspiracy theory is that

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if they give the Native Americans credit

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the level of culture that they have

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savages and just take their land away

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you this how did you get interested in

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investigating what's going on you know

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a Mississippi magazine about a much more

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places where the truth is uh stranger

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Mississippi and so I wrote that and then

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mysterious people places and

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up mysterious Mississippi and that's

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Brandywine Stonewall and uh so it goes

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placed stones that if they were stacked

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high would would cover an area for miles

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impressive for a structure and it went

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on to suggest that this was a some

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unknown ancient civilization must have

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constructed this so I took that as kind

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of a challenge and I went to the

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in fact back in the late 1800s there was

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considerable debate about this structure

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or was it a structure a man-made

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structure or natural formation and the

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field reporters at the time the people

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strongly suggested it was a man-made

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remarks you know they they were going

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degree it's a natural formation well I'm

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saying it's kind of both there is a

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natural formation of stones there and

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they do resemble they just generally

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resemble cut stones however there are

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certain areas where in fact they have

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ancient civilization and used for

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so I get out and I go to this part of

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the state and I'm knocking on doors for

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a few days and I eventually ended up at

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a property that was owned by the owner

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had recently died and he was generally a

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hermit and all over this property there

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was cut stones some of them had

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inscriptions and markings on them there

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was a nine foot long carved snake at a

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stone with a it had a uh a polished flat

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top and had a bowl carved into the back

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of it it also had like snake the sides

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were carved and it had like snake rings

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large stone heads that we were pulled

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out of a pond beside the property and

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some other artifacts that are kind of

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the signature artifacts of a vase of an

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ancient civilization that is accepted to

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have been in the area at that time

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okay so you know these walls are

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interesting because you're talking about

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this wall that's in Mississippi you know

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I used to live in Rockwall where there's

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the rock wall of rock wall and it seems

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like there has been this activity and

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this building activity happening in the

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u.s. that they don't even understand why

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they were doing it so let me ask this

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question so is this alright so I'm just

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I mean cuz up until your material I've

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never heard of this and actually until I

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moved to Rockwall I never heard of the

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rock wall of rock wall but the one in

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rock wall I mean it's kind of a

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rectangle shape so is this thing in some

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kind of a shape or is it straight you

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know anything like that oh it was an

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area that has been heavily flooded

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throughout the early 1900s so you know

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if there was

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much larger structure it would have

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certainly been covered up by now but but

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what what is there now are some

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outcroppings of these stone stones that

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have been placed and in and mortar

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together in certain areas I see the

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mortar together part I think is very

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interesting in other well I'm just

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trying to think I mean I know like in

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South America in Peru you know they have

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the stones that you know fit right up

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against each other and I'm trying to

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recall if in Mesoamerica I guess their

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rocks are mortar together so in any

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other American indigenous cultures have

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we've seemed that kind of craftsmanship

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not that I'm well there are various

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stone forts in the Indiana area and

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other parts of the Ohio Valley that that

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were made by I'm going to just leave

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that blank for now we may talk about

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that later who may have built those also

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in in Tennessee there are there are

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examples of stone even large stone

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structures and and Native Americans work

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jitan weren't generally credited with

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building from large stones however

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that's very much not the case there are

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in the early accounts of archaeologists

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there are numerous reports of stone

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forts and other stone structures

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see this is that whole cover-up thing

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yeah I just find that so fascinating

285
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well it's it's a thing I mean it's when

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the idea and it first came about in the

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early 1800s when the idea of manifest

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destiny was begun to be sold to the

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American public the idea that the

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European white man had had a god-given

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right to North America from the east

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coast to the west coast well that's when

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they began to paint the picture of the

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of the Native Americans as being savages

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and having no appreciable civilization

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so throughout North America you know

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there's there have been sites a lot of

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sites that were you know significant

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Native American sites have been built

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over but that's where the large cities

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okay and you know the of although I've

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been this past summer I spent a lot of

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time in the Northeast at museums at the

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Metropolitan Museum of Art the Princeton

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University Museum and the University of

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Pennsylvania Museum and they all have

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tremendous collections of Native

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American artwork and an artifacts that

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portrayed the Native American as far

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more advanced than general history does

311
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however in Manhattan right near Wall

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Street arguably the most valuable real

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estate on planet Earth there's a very

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large very beautiful building

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it's the Museum of the American Indian

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I've been there I know that place it

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it's the worst example of a museum that

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I've come across it's just a horrible

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museum I hate to say that but it is I

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mean they have a lot of their stuff is

321
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from the early 1900's and all of it

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depicts it's it's the story that they're

323
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selling and they're selling it on the

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most valuable piece of real estate in

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the world well that's because they got

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it for like 25 bucks well they could get

327
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a lot of money for it now too and that's

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the spot where they're continuing to

329
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sell the story that had that it it

330
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relieves it relieves people of potential

331
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well one of the things that I think is

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interesting is you know when we think of

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the Americas you know North and South

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Central and South America you know we

335
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always think of all this monumental

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architecture happening you know in

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Mesoamerica or in South America in the

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Americas why don't we see that kind of

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structure that kind of building was it a

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materials issue or was it because they

341
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weren't you know I hate to say as

342
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advanced but as advanced a combination

343
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of the two okay and another thing

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another another aspect is why why were

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the South American indigenous people why

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were there more advanced well that's

347
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another chapter in the story it's the

348
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idea of of diffusion ISM you know the

349
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idea that ancient civilizations travels

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and shared ideas far more extensively

351
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than history gives them credit for well

352
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in this case there's a overwhelming body

353
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of evidence that uh that among many

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others there were Egyptians North

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Africans Japanese all seemed to to visit

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certain parts of Peru in in southern

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Mexico I mean I don't believe that the

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structures that we see in South America

359
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and Cusco and that area puma punku were

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at all recent and I I mean that's my

361
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feeling that they predate any culture

362
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going around the world doing anything my

363
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opinion yes it's that's one of the

364
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mysteries of mankind that I you know

365
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even those structures were the very

366
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large very finely aged stone there's no

367
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way I can't offer a plausible

368
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explanation for that and unfortunately

369
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accepted archaeologists and historians

370
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they can't either so

371
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that's a big question like now something

372
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interesting that I have come about is

373
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you know when you start talking about a

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you know the timeframes of things as far

375
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as human occupation of the Americas well

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I've come across there's you know when I

377
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was in elementary school he was taught

378
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that I you know the Asians came across

379
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the land bridge into North America and

380
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settled you know from North America to

381
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South America

382
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that's about 9,000 BC however there's a

383
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compelling case and it's it's accepted

384
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by many academics that in Brazil there

385
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was a burgeoning civilization that that

386
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popped up around 50,000 BC and there's a

387
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very strong case for that now they were

388
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not from Asia it appears that they were

389
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uh they were aboriginals probably from

390
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Polynesia but or up mm-hmm so this well

391
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yeah and I think that that concept is

392
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really interesting and I love how it

393
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gets dismissed when they find evidence

394
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:27,309
of foodstuffs that originated

395
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you know like Impala Polynesia like

396
00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:32,740
sweet potatoes I don't think sweet

397
00:20:42,389 --> 00:20:36,070
potatoes are indigenous to America and

398
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some other things that Blake claim and

399
00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:47,820
support the concept that they are not

400
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asians you know even though there was an

401
00:20:55,649 --> 00:20:52,929
asian influx i mean i do agree with that

402
00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:55,659
but you know from what i understand that

403
00:20:59,789 --> 00:20:57,700
was like one of the later in fluxes and

404
00:21:03,480 --> 00:20:59,799
not one of the early ones yeah

405
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:03,490
well the the idea of the sweet potato

406
00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:10,740
that's suggested that it was a that the

407
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polynesian islands Easter Island other

408
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:16,570
areas of there were people were people

409
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by people from

410
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:20,860
rooo because the sweet potato is

411
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:23,890
indigenous to South America and the

412
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:24,850
other way around

413
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:28,330
the sweet potatoes evidence that the it

414
00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:32,320
was peopled from Peru and it went to the

415
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:37,270
west see I know stuff just sometimes not

416
00:21:45,390 --> 00:21:41,440
so accurate information or score the

417
00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:45,400
whole the whole Thor Heyerdahl connect

418
00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:47,260
spirit you know where he was he was

419
00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:49,960
building these uh ships and and boats

420
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:53,140
based on ancient technology and he was

421
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:57,970
sailing he sailed from from Iraq he said

422
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:01,120
down through southeast sailed around

423
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:05,200
Africa in in ancient Sumerian style

424
00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:07,450
ships and then he stayed to the

425
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:11,710
Mediterranean from there he sailed using

426
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:15,280
Egyptian ancient building technology he

427
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:17,850
successfully sailed to to South America

428
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:20,290
and then he went from South America he

429
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,170
built a ship that sailed to many

430
00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:28,240
thousands of miles to forget the exact

431
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:31,660
Island but he's one of the Polynesian

432
00:22:37,620 --> 00:22:34,750
islands well do you also either go to

433
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:37,630
Easter Island or come from Easter Island

434
00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:40,630
in one of those votes it what he had a

435
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:43,150
he commissioned a study he had I think

436
00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:45,040
he like contracted a large research

437
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,100
vessel and they had a good time you know

438
00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:50,080
it was like one of these it wasn't in

439
00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:52,120
one of his uh you know wooden craft it

440
00:22:58,530 --> 00:22:54,340
was in a nice ship that they went and

441
00:23:00,600 --> 00:22:58,540
studied Easter Island for a while yeah I

442
00:23:02,730 --> 00:23:00,610
just find the whole thing interesting

443
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:02,740
one of the things you were talking about

444
00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:06,310
was a carved serpent you know and the

445
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:10,780
cart the serpent in I mean there's the

446
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:14,080
Serpent Mound in Ohio you know the

447
00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:16,690
Serpent's turns up obviously over and

448
00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:20,560
over again in Mayan culture you know

449
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:22,270
with the feathered serpent and causal

450
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:24,280
quarrel do you think that there's a

451
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:28,090
relationship one to the other

452
00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:30,310
yes I think there's a very distinct

453
00:23:33,730 --> 00:23:31,700
relationship

454
00:23:36,909 --> 00:23:33,740
you know I never thought I would know

455
00:23:39,639 --> 00:23:36,919
how to spell the word Quetzalcoatl but I

456
00:23:42,009 --> 00:23:39,649
can spell Quetzalcoatl now fairly easily

457
00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:42,019
because it it appears probably about a

458
00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:45,860
hundred times throughout my book so that

459
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:51,320
says anything but all right I'll make a

460
00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:53,480
comment you know but spill it over and

461
00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:55,190
over and over again in my book and still

462
00:24:01,299 --> 00:23:58,070
spell it wrong every single to come flow

463
00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:01,309
right out now I don't you know yeah it's

464
00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:04,820
uh anyway so so that's kind of that

465
00:24:12,340 --> 00:24:06,950
whole story of the Brandywine stone wall

466
00:24:14,110 --> 00:24:12,350
that allowed me to meet another local

467
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,120
university professor from Mississippi

468
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:16,880
dr. Robert lists he and I kind of teamed

469
00:24:23,860 --> 00:24:20,480
up and and he gave me some some some old

470
00:24:27,940 --> 00:24:23,870
some literature that had there were some

471
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:27,950
other accounts of odd structures in

472
00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:29,929
Mississippi that had not been researched

473
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,929
until until now there was okay so before

474
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:35,120
you do that so who is this dr. list guy

475
00:24:42,009 --> 00:24:37,820
what's his background credentials

476
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:42,019
whatever he is a Yankee who moved to

477
00:24:51,299 --> 00:24:48,559
Mississippi hey yeah he is a regular

478
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:51,309
contributor to ancient American magazine

479
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:54,529
he's also written several of several

480
00:25:01,210 --> 00:24:58,850
books he is a professor of at the

481
00:25:06,009 --> 00:25:01,220
universe Jackson State University here

482
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:06,019
in Jackson Mississippi and he's he was

483
00:25:10,029 --> 00:25:07,100
out you know wish I could say these

484
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,039
ideas you know remind but you know I was

485
00:25:16,029 --> 00:25:13,039
just kind of a I was kind of more of the

486
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:16,039
fieldwork guy and he was he was the one

487
00:25:20,409 --> 00:25:19,070
that uh that was he was pretty as we

488
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:20,419
were moving through these different

489
00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:22,970
locations he was predicting what we

490
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:27,380
would find and pretty much without fail

491
00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:30,950
whatever he said we'd find we found and

492
00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:32,630
he was able to the things that I would

493
00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:34,580
just walk by he could look at it and and

494
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:37,700
he could make connections so he's been

495
00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:39,710
instrumental and I you know this stuff

496
00:25:44,530 --> 00:25:42,789
would never have happened without his

497
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:44,540
his

498
00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:48,110
wealth of knowledge and he spent he

499
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:50,830
spent 20 years travelling throughout

500
00:25:54,580 --> 00:25:52,910
Mexico and he's been to many of the

501
00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:54,590
Olmec sites he's very for me with the

502
00:26:00,130 --> 00:25:58,130
Olmec culture mm-hmm and that's where we

503
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:00,140
make a connection between this the

504
00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:02,450
Brandywine stonewall site we find we

505
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:05,630
found an artifact that in addition to

506
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,730
the crystal coatl nine foot long carved

507
00:26:12,790 --> 00:26:08,240
snake

508
00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:12,800
we found a Celt and artifact that was

509
00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:17,630
identical to two Olmec artifacts so

510
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:23,300
what's a Celt it's a small stone phallic

511
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:27,470
symbol it was something that they an

512
00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:29,240
ancient would have held that would have

513
00:26:37,690 --> 00:26:35,060
denoted his rank any mythology on that

514
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:37,700
I'm just it's it's a phallic symbol and

515
00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:44,530
was a large yeah so and an identical

516
00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:47,870
identically shaped silts have been found

517
00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:51,800
at Olmec sites and so no contemporary

518
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:53,750
society is so quick to say oh it's a

519
00:27:01,210 --> 00:26:57,110
phallic symbol you know but if you start

520
00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:01,220
looking at other mythological groups and

521
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:04,280
the iconography you know we have the

522
00:27:10,510 --> 00:27:07,730
lightning bolt quote-unquote that Zeus

523
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:10,520
carries that if you kind of morph it a

524
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,330
little bit you know I guess could look

525
00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:16,640
like a phallic symbol you know if it

526
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:20,150
just had rounded edges and anyway so I'm

527
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:21,530
just gonna throw that out for you to

528
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:25,490
think about you know well you know it's

529
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:26,990
like you know everything is for

530
00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:28,910
ritualistic purposes you know so like

531
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:31,280
that wall that you guys found was was it

532
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:39,310
for ritualistic purposes well I believe

533
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:42,530
the the snake it appears that it very

534
00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:44,810
well could have been an altar of some

535
00:27:53,290 --> 00:27:51,320
kind that's what it seems to be so that

536
00:27:55,930 --> 00:27:53,300
was that was one that was the first site

537
00:27:58,650 --> 00:27:55,940
and then we found the second site that

538
00:28:01,420 --> 00:27:58,660
was based on another piece of

539
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:01,430
literature from the 1800s well I want to

540
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:05,000
go back to the snake a minute so based

541
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:07,940
on your observation your belief is that

542
00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:12,170
the snake actually laid flat versus

543
00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:16,360
stood up and was some kind of a megalith

544
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:20,540
marker kind of thing yes it's it lays

545
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:23,930
flat on the ground okay just checking

546
00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:27,110
yeah and if I could if I had this it's

547
00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:31,900
it weighs several tons and if I could go

548
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,400
get it I probably would so but it's just

549
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:36,080
too big to move right now we'd like to

550
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:40,490
preserve it but it's just it's gonna lay

551
00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:44,150
where it's at for now until some better

552
00:28:50,410 --> 00:28:47,420
funded researchers can go in and study

553
00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:50,420
this place see that's the thing it's

554
00:29:00,580 --> 00:28:53,540
like you know you find stuff and no one

555
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,590
digs no one you know it it what it makes

556
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:02,960
me think of is like gobekli tepe you

557
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:06,610
know that and I can't remember the

558
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:08,570
archaeologists name off the top of my

559
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:11,510
head you know but he saw some Flint

560
00:29:16,060 --> 00:29:13,310
ships and knew that there was some kind

561
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:16,070
of early culture there and started an

562
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:19,850
excavation and bam gobekli tepe you know

563
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:21,140
how do we know that we won't find

564
00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:25,820
something like that here well we not far

565
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:29,300
from where I live it was fairly recently

566
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:37,190
a a a regular citizen found the oldest

567
00:29:41,470 --> 00:29:38,810
man-made structure in the Western

568
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:41,480
Hemisphere it's in Watson break

569
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:46,010
Louisiana and it dates to about fifty

570
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:49,340
four hundred years ago about 3500 BC and

571
00:29:58,380 --> 00:29:54,890
it was a it was found and published you

572
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,390
know articles were published by amateur

573
00:30:04,030 --> 00:30:01,360
archaeologists her name was Lisa Jones

574
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:04,040
mm-hmm and if it wasn't for amateurs out

575
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:05,410
there you knows a lot of the strides

576
00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:07,820
around here anyway wouldn't wouldn't be

577
00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:11,480
moving forward because except some of

578
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:12,260
the

579
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:15,980
scholars around here seem to be scared

580
00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:17,960
of some of this stuff at least that's

581
00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:19,400
what I've encountered when I've tried to

582
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:21,980
to share the artifacts that we found

583
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:24,280
with some of the university

584
00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:27,230
archaeologists they it seems to scare

585
00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:31,220
them well they don't know what to do

586
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:32,900
with it because you know they didn't

587
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,590
exactly exactly

588
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:43,760
yeah I mean it's it you know it's kind

589
00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:45,410
of like the Kensington Runestone

590
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:48,260
you know it was found it was unearthed

591
00:30:55,030 --> 00:30:51,710
it traveled around and now he can't be

592
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:55,040
real and it can't be something valid

593
00:31:01,660 --> 00:30:59,360
because a certified archeologist did not

594
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:01,670
take it out of the ground during an

595
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:06,500
expedition exactly and it's the same

596
00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:12,760
case here so okay so we have the wall

597
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,140
which I wrote down the name but I can't

598
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:16,880
read my handwriting so we'll just say

599
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:21,140
the wall and we have the snake so what

600
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:23,300
else was found and in the well there is

601
00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:26,360
in the Brandywine location okay there

602
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:28,940
was we found oh and the phallic symbol

603
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,160
yeah we found clay is clay cooking balls

604
00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:37,760
which are a signature artifact of the

605
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:41,630
Poverty Point culture which was in this

606
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:43,400
area there's there's other there's a

607
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:46,310
much larger an actual location that's

608
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:48,170
referred to as Poverty Point Louisiana

609
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:50,570
and the people who live there are

610
00:31:57,450 --> 00:31:52,490
referred to as the people of the Poverty

611
00:32:03,220 --> 00:31:59,440
addition to ancient history

612
00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:03,230
this Poverty Point culture the location

613
00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:06,350
in which is not far it's in Louisiana

614
00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:10,520
and it was just recognized as a UNESCO

615
00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:13,640
World Heritage Site and they've only

616
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:16,430
really excavated about I think one

617
00:32:24,629 --> 00:32:20,720
quarter of one percent so far and there

618
00:32:28,539 --> 00:32:24,639
are a lot of things there that

619
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:28,549
ring of an Egyptian influence at Poverty

620
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:30,980
Point Louisiana several things that that

621
00:32:39,249 --> 00:32:34,129
are suggestive of you know if nothing

622
00:32:41,769 --> 00:32:39,259
else in Egyptian guidance and influence

623
00:32:43,389 --> 00:32:41,779
in the construction of the site and in

624
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,399
the in some of the artifacts that are

625
00:32:48,639 --> 00:32:45,279
found there

626
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:48,649
we're in Louise is this location that

627
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:49,940
you're talking about is it in like

628
00:32:57,970 --> 00:32:55,210
northern Louisiana yeah it's a it's it's

629
00:32:59,799 --> 00:32:57,980
not close to anything in particular but

630
00:33:03,369 --> 00:32:59,809
it's in if you wanted to look out on

631
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:03,379
Google Maps it's near Epps Louisiana epp

632
00:33:12,639 --> 00:33:09,350
s and it's it's about maybe 20 miles

633
00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:12,649
from its it connects it's on a body of

634
00:33:17,019 --> 00:33:14,419
water that connects to the Mississippi

635
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:17,029
River and didn't and did in ancient

636
00:33:23,139 --> 00:33:21,049
times - okay I'm just asking because I

637
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:23,149
almost live in Louisiana now don't you

638
00:33:29,139 --> 00:33:25,340
know so I'm like hey well you see like

639
00:33:31,389 --> 00:33:29,149
Oh buzz yeah on the right if if you'll

640
00:33:34,269 --> 00:33:31,399
see the safe you go in I 20 towards

641
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:34,279
Mississippi about maybe 30 miles before

642
00:33:37,989 --> 00:33:36,409
you get to Mississippi you would see a

643
00:33:40,509 --> 00:33:37,999
big sign that says Poverty Point

644
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:40,519
archeological site and it's about a

645
00:33:44,619 --> 00:33:42,529
15-minute drive north of there so it's

646
00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:44,629
it's open well they have an incredible

647
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:47,869
Museum and some of the artifacts there

648
00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:52,220
are incredible incredible I mean they

649
00:33:57,749 --> 00:33:55,789
have some artifacts that were of I mean

650
00:34:02,440 --> 00:33:57,759
it appears that they were made on a

651
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:02,450
precision metal lathe you you it's

652
00:34:07,899 --> 00:34:03,820
difficult to believe that these were

653
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:07,909
made by civilization that supposedly was

654
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:13,010
there 2002 1000 BC that's when they this

655
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:17,740
group of people occupied the earth well

656
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:20,210
we're gonna put that in quote-unquote

657
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:23,240
how's that okay okay okay but we have a

658
00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:25,369
dating question that just came up from

659
00:34:31,059 --> 00:34:28,940
canoe a new visitor to the chat room and

660
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:31,069
he said many dates have been dropped

661
00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:34,700
very easily during this interview 3400

662
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:36,020
BC 8,000

663
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:41,210
BC didn't have to read this

664
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:43,970
dendrochronology might be able to get

665
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:46,310
dates like this but carbon-dating

666
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:48,530
wouldn't what method was used beside

667
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:50,690
other people's research to gather these

668
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:53,450
dates I'm gonna go with other people's

669
00:34:58,750 --> 00:34:55,610
research okay

670
00:35:00,040 --> 00:34:58,760
and it's you know these are I'm just

671
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:00,050
gonna I'll be honest with you some of

672
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:02,270
the it's comes from Wikipedia some of it

673
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,610
so you know it's it's what's in the

674
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:07,220
dates are typically Wikipedia is gonna

675
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:09,140
be where I get probably the majority of

676
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:09,710
my dates

677
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:12,590
and so you're not claiming to date this

678
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:16,240
what your goal is it sounds like is to

679
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:20,450
bring this material to the population at

680
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:23,840
large to go hey look there they're stuck

681
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,170
either yeah yeah we're standing on the

682
00:35:32,830 --> 00:35:30,560
backs of others here mmm-hmm but I mean

683
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:32,840
as far as some of this the material that

684
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:35,570
you're bringing forward I mean one of

685
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:37,330
the things that I have noticed is that

686
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:40,580
there was a lot more information

687
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:42,710
exchanged I mean we think about it now

688
00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:44,990
but it seems like people were much freer

689
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:49,670
to talk about things they find things

690
00:35:55,450 --> 00:35:53,570
they discover prior to 1940 and then

691
00:36:01,390 --> 00:35:55,460
something changed and it became very

692
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:01,400
political and much more closed-mouth you

693
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:03,640
know and so I would think that any

694
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:07,160
reports after the 1940s would be minimal

695
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:10,610
but it sounds like this the newspaper

696
00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:12,260
articles that you've been finding all

697
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:15,980
have predated yes you know that magic

698
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:19,940
line in the sand mm-hmm and then it's a

699
00:36:28,329 --> 00:36:25,109
[Music]

700
00:36:30,339 --> 00:36:28,339
so up they you know we were talking

701
00:36:34,089 --> 00:36:30,349
about the wall how much of the wall

702
00:36:38,190 --> 00:36:34,099
remains or do we even know how big that

703
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:38,200
wall is or was its there our

704
00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:42,290
outcroppings that cover an area several

705
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:45,140
miles encompasses several miles but

706
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:48,020
really the air we we focused on a very

707
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:53,599
small segment of the structure and

708
00:36:59,319 --> 00:36:57,050
that's where you know we pulled out

709
00:37:02,260 --> 00:36:59,329
these artifacts and and some other

710
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:02,270
things okay this is where it gets we

711
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,150
taken an odd turn here next to this

712
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:10,480
structure that appears to have been a

713
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:14,630
hearth okay some type of it was a large

714
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,430
stone hearth that the stones on their

715
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:21,520
stones on the sides that are obviously

716
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,530
placed by man at some point they're

717
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:26,480
buried in the dirt very well but they're

718
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:27,290
replaced

719
00:37:34,059 --> 00:37:30,700
there's burn marks on the stones and we

720
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:34,069
using metal detectors just in one

721
00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:38,240
specific area there's we found buried

722
00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:40,849
iron right where there would be fire

723
00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:45,800
pits in this structure which you know

724
00:37:51,849 --> 00:37:48,200
according to according to history you

725
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:51,859
know there was no iron smelting in North

726
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:54,770
America prior to Columbus mm-hmm however

727
00:37:59,230 --> 00:37:57,050
we find an overwhelming amount of

728
00:38:02,380 --> 00:37:59,240
evidence that that in fact it was

729
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,390
occurring here at this one site we also

730
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:04,400
find scattered all over the property

731
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:09,770
large amounts of chunks of iron slag

732
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:13,670
which would be the byproduct of refining

733
00:38:18,609 --> 00:38:16,270
iron it's and you would knock the

734
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:18,619
impurities that bubbled to the top you

735
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:20,710
would knock those off and you'd have a

736
00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:24,680
bar of iron and we find that we find the

737
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,700
slag in the area in large quantity okay

738
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:30,800
so now I'm gonna ask maybe the million

739
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,010
dollar questions what were the Native

740
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,280
Americans using the iron ore do you

741
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:39,920
that one of these other groups that you

742
00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:42,350
were talking about earlier we're coming

743
00:38:47,830 --> 00:38:45,740
here getting the iron converting it into

744
00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:47,840
bars or whatever they would convert it

745
00:38:54,850 --> 00:38:51,560
into and then hauling it back off yes

746
00:39:00,820 --> 00:38:54,860
the latter a a Mediterranean

747
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:00,830
civilization a most likely based on some

748
00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:03,490
of the artifacts at the site a an

749
00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:09,260
Egyptian operation also an African

750
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:12,020
presence and it they appeared to have

751
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:14,210
been based out of southern Mexico

752
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:18,740
what's identifies as the Olmecs you know

753
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:21,020
where all these civilizations kind of

754
00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:24,440
came together and and kind of morphed

755
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:27,140
with each other they appeared to have

756
00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:29,810
some kind of an iron production

757
00:39:35,260 --> 00:39:32,900
operation where at least one of the

758
00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:35,270
sites in North America was in in

759
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:39,350
Mississippi there are other ancient

760
00:39:45,610 --> 00:39:43,280
sites in further north that I've not

761
00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:45,620
personally visited but there have been a

762
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:47,540
great deal of material published about

763
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:50,720
where they were there's evidence of our

764
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:03,050
hmm okay I mean I think the omec are

765
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:08,400
very interesting culture and you know

766
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:13,140
that I mean my interaction with them is

767
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:15,750
mostly through their artwork and their

768
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:17,910
artwork was phenomenal

769
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:21,030
and anything that really came after the

770
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:24,300
Olmec period is just a cheap kind of

771
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:27,020
knockoff imitation of something

772
00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:33,420
exquisite 'add my opinion yeah it's

773
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:36,360
obvious I mean that's anybody with a

774
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:37,890
clear brain can see you know that's what

775
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:41,570
it the Olmec culture popped up around

776
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:47,760
1500 BC from without having anything

777
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:49,950
that really led up to it they just it

778
00:40:58,690 --> 00:40:52,710
just popped up with the giant carved

779
00:41:04,160 --> 00:40:58,700
stone heads that are quite obviously

780
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:04,170
genetically African okay they to the

781
00:41:07,850 --> 00:41:05,490
even to the point where they have and

782
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:07,860
they wear the odd helmets these are the

783
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:09,570
eight foot tall stones that I'm talking

784
00:41:14,570 --> 00:41:12,690
about and they had the the war helmets

785
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:14,580
of the type that were one of the type

786
00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:17,010
that were worn in Africa and you know

787
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:19,860
these these Warriors had cornrows they

788
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:23,010
wore their hair in cornrows an African

789
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,610
hairstyle

790
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:26,880
so however conventional archaeologists

791
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:28,350
would argue that no these were

792
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:33,240
indigenous you know Native Americans

793
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:39,780
there and in fact you know during digs

794
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:44,910
in the 1960s they record a cemetery in

795
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:48,780
La Venta Mexico an Olmec site where they

796
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:52,310
record Africa skeletons in the cemetery

797
00:42:00,440 --> 00:41:56,850
so I don't know how much evidence you

798
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:00,450
need but it's there you know and in

799
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:03,230
stone carved in stone that can't be

800
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:05,850
can't be washed away it's hard to wash

801
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:07,980
it away but they they try

802
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:11,160
well I was just thinking you know 1500

803
00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:15,060
BC was you know the time of the Exodus

804
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:17,190
and what what else was going on on the

805
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:21,780
planet or in the more civilized cultures

806
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,810
at that point time you know and did they

807
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:27,240
have that level of art and I guess they

808
00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:29,550
did and so if it was brought in from

809
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:32,550
somewhere else it would make sense why

810
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:36,210
they would be able to produce items that

811
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:41,070
are exquisite yes well that was 1500 BC

812
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:42,630
and I'm just gonna say that's that's the

813
00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:44,970
accepted date for the Olmec culture I'm

814
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:47,360
gonna suggest that it probably went back

815
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,490
you know much farther than that

816
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:53,760
okay however that's what they date these

817
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:56,520
Olmec sites too that have no you know

818
00:43:01,060 --> 00:42:58,980
predecessor that was that would have

819
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:01,070
been at the end of the the Bronze Age

820
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:03,060
towards the end of the Bronze Age in

821
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:04,830
Europe and at the dawning of the Iron

822
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:07,640
Age so that line in the sand is about

823
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:11,280
1200 BC so we're talking to the Bronze

824
00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:16,290
Age went in Europe from about 2500 BC to

825
00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:21,230
to the dawn of the Iron Age and there's

826
00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:25,100
there's another site in Mississippi that

827
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:27,750
I'd like to talk about to that is to me

828
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:29,610
it's the by far the most interesting

829
00:43:37,310 --> 00:43:33,330
site and contains the most the most

830
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:37,320
powerful evidence and it connects to to

831
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:40,500
the Bronze Age in Europe okay and what

832
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:44,030
site would that be that's the it's the

833
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:48,060
location on the Pearl River it's and

834
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:50,570
it's where there's an assortment of

835
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,970
stone stones that the only thing on

836
00:44:03,470 --> 00:43:59,640
planet earth that they match identically

837
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:03,480
our stone anchors of the type used in

838
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:08,460
the ancient Mediterranean there's they

839
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:10,140
match identically the stone anchors that

840
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:12,060
were found off the coast of Israel for

841
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,930
example and in other places but these

842
00:44:20,059 --> 00:44:18,240
stones that they all have a uniform

843
00:44:24,059 --> 00:44:20,069
there's three of them

844
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:24,069
they all have a uniform 5-inch hole near

845
00:44:30,569 --> 00:44:26,529
the center and they have the same

846
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,579
general shape of of the stone acres of

847
00:44:36,809 --> 00:44:32,640
the type used in the Mediterranean and

848
00:44:42,029 --> 00:44:36,819
one of them has a carved tablet on the

849
00:44:46,109 --> 00:44:42,039
front of it and that's where it gets

850
00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:46,119
very interesting you know myself and dr.

851
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:49,180
lists we spent many many hours on this

852
00:44:54,499 --> 00:44:51,220
carved tablet trying to kind of pull out

853
00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:54,509
of it what was what it contained and uh

854
00:45:01,950 --> 00:44:57,640
and I can tell you that in general it

855
00:45:05,099 --> 00:45:01,960
resembled it matches a stone tablets of

856
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:05,109
the type of of the Minoans from the

857
00:45:09,779 --> 00:45:08,230
island of Crete they were the Minoans

858
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:09,789
were trading partners with the Egyptians

859
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:12,220
and they were the the copper merchants

860
00:45:20,269 --> 00:45:17,410
of that era so the stone the tablet in

861
00:45:26,249 --> 00:45:20,279
that stone anchor matches very closely

862
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:26,259
their style of artisan ship now

863
00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:29,230
it was so faded that you know what there

864
00:45:32,609 --> 00:45:30,940
were distinct designs in it but we

865
00:45:35,729 --> 00:45:32,619
couldn't put them together because of

866
00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:35,739
the the surfaces so it was rough and it

867
00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:37,150
was just the colors of the stone it was

868
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,400
hard for the human Ida to put it all

869
00:45:44,269 --> 00:45:41,440
together and that's when we were

870
00:45:48,779 --> 00:45:44,279
fortunate enough to to be joined by

871
00:45:52,589 --> 00:45:48,789
another member to the team Amy MacDonald

872
00:46:00,059 --> 00:45:52,599
who she's a local artist and she found

873
00:46:02,099 --> 00:46:00,069
us to just sheer serendipity and um in

874
00:46:06,049 --> 00:46:02,109
determination in her part she had she

875
00:46:09,319 --> 00:46:06,059
had also kind of been on this quest so

876
00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:09,329
she joined the team and she spent a

877
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:12,940
great deal of time with the stones and

878
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:14,470
taking photographs using different

879
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:16,569
techniques and she came up with some

880
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:20,410
sketches of just you know a pencil on

881
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,410
paper that depict it's it's a lot easier

882
00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:26,940
to to understand the images after she

883
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:30,440
gave it her treatment and

884
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:35,910
one is a distinct Egyptian bird

885
00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:38,910
hieroglyphs that stands alone off to the

886
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:42,840
side in the middle other part of the

887
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:48,000
tablet is a a boat that appears to have

888
00:46:55,850 --> 00:46:51,990
oars hanging off the side and another

889
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:55,860
part of the stone tablet is a is what

890
00:47:01,040 --> 00:46:58,500
appears to be a double bladed Minoan

891
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:01,050
style axe and then there's some other

892
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:03,600
some other designs that we just really

893
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:06,180
can't put them together you know they

894
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:10,460
could be Reed's or you know some type of

895
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:14,700
other plant life or something but so

896
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:18,300
that's you know the that continues to

897
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:21,510
you know continues to be studied you

898
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:24,870
know so that's what's there what's

899
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:27,630
interesting is that the place where they

900
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:31,230
were found it was predicted evidence of

901
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:34,830
this type would be found there's a

902
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:36,690
theory that's been out there for for

903
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:41,610
probably 100 years or so about in the

904
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:44,550
Upper Peninsula of Michigan it's

905
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:48,300
accepted archeology that that there were

906
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:51,450
during ancient times 3,000 BC to about

907
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:56,550
1000 BC that there were open pit copper

908
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:03,200
mines and during that period of time and

909
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:06,630
it's been there are estimates of between

910
00:48:12,250 --> 00:48:09,390
half a billion pounds to a billion and a

911
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:12,260
half pounds of copper a very pure

912
00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:15,210
high-grade copper was removed from the

913
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:19,620
mines of Penance of Michigan and I see I

914
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:22,650
think people have heard about that you

915
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:25,380
know remotely so there was a question

916
00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:28,650
that was from way back but now seems

917
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:31,590
like an appropriate place to to toss it

918
00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:35,450
in have there been any fines of like

919
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:37,590
shipwrecks I mean I know that it

920
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:38,910
wouldn't be the same kind of a shipwreck

921
00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:43,170
that would support this seafaring

922
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:49,349
metal grabbing culture yes off the coast

923
00:48:56,539 --> 00:48:53,760
of Turkey a a Minoan ship it was caught

924
00:49:01,539 --> 00:48:56,549
it's referred to as the Loulou beroun

925
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:01,549
shipwreck it was found I believe in the

926
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:06,540
early 80s by sponge diver and it

927
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:10,670
contained it contained these copper

928
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:16,020
ingots that refer to as oxides and these

929
00:49:25,789 --> 00:49:20,190
copper ingots that were removed from the

930
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,799
shipwreck they they have characteristics

931
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:27,839
of copper that would have come from

932
00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:29,660
North America

933
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:33,990
however these oxides have been studied

934
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:36,119
and they've never been there's an

935
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:39,480
isotopic technique that can be used to

936
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:42,900
determine their origin and there a lot

937
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,970
of the copper that's paying debts that

938
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:47,280
have been found some of them they can

939
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:50,490
trace to copper mines in in Africa or

940
00:50:00,200 --> 00:49:58,410
Europe but they refuse to they're not

941
00:50:01,970 --> 00:50:00,210
open to the concept to test them against

942
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,980
the North American copper they refuse to

943
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,680
do that so it's impossible to make that

944
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:06,780
connection unless you get a pure copper

945
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:11,849
oxide and you give it an isotopic test

946
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:14,579
versus North American copper they nobody

947
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:17,400
will do that test and it first of all

948
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:18,900
you have to get one these artifacts and

949
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:20,579
second of all you have to have money to

950
00:50:27,049 --> 00:50:24,329
do that and those people that have those

951
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:27,059
both of those things refuse to consider

952
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,670
the North American connection so yes

953
00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:32,040
they have found that shipwreck there are

954
00:50:39,609 --> 00:50:34,950
other shipwrecks that have been that

955
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:39,619
have been a Roman as well as well as

956
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:42,510
Egyptian vessels and off the coast of

957
00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:46,500
Brazil off the coast of Venezuela off

958
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:49,470
the coast of Massachusetts and I just

959
00:50:57,609 --> 00:50:54,180
got a report a few days ago of that off

960
00:51:01,710 --> 00:50:57,619
the coast of Florida st. Augustine

961
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:01,720
a int an intact Russian I mean I'm sorry

962
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:04,730
Egyptian ship was found it was laden

963
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:11,359
with a Mesoamerican trade where and I'm

964
00:51:14,349 --> 00:51:13,100
kind of trying to put that story

965
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:14,359
together right now I think that would be

966
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:22,850
kind of a smoking gun that's uh you know

967
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,609
I I just love how all this is surprised

968
00:51:28,750 --> 00:51:26,960
cuz you're talking about this stop and

969
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:28,760
I'm like early never heard of that

970
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,090
really never hear today it's out there I

971
00:51:35,650 --> 00:51:33,680
mean I'm not making anything up here

972
00:51:37,870 --> 00:51:35,660
well no I know you're not making it

973
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:37,880
happen you know it's just I mean

974
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:40,490
investigating native uh you know more of

975
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:43,430
a myth girl full of philosophical girl

976
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,170
then you know archaeology I mean I like

977
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:50,960
archaeology but anyway you know I mean

978
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:52,490
you really like running out there and

979
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:54,260
going into the field you know which i

980
00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:57,050
think is great because somebody has to

981
00:52:02,290 --> 00:51:58,940
do it and knock on doors and have it be

982
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:02,300
important and stuff like that you know

983
00:52:07,780 --> 00:52:04,130
but you're talking about the anchors

984
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:07,790
that were found and I think that there

985
00:52:11,620 --> 00:52:09,710
were some anchors that were found you

986
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:11,630
know off the east coast as well and I

987
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:13,369
want to say that they were found like by

988
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:16,790
Bimini you know people try tying it to

989
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:20,230
Atlantis and that whole thing yeah and

990
00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:22,609
there is that as well yes I've seen

991
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:25,460
those however I'm gonna say that that

992
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:28,550
the stone anchors at this site they

993
00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:33,350
match identically in shape in size to

994
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:36,740
the type that were used in in that era

995
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:38,690
in the Mediterranean and what I'm gonna

996
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:40,580
be honest the some some of the stone

997
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:42,320
anchors that I've seen they really don't

998
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:47,710
look the same so now kind of back to the

999
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:50,510
ancient copper trade theory that it was

1000
00:52:56,380 --> 00:52:54,200
predicted that that uh that's not this

1001
00:52:59,590 --> 00:52:56,390
type of evidence would be found on this

1002
00:53:02,950 --> 00:52:59,600
specific waterway in Mississippi because

1003
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:02,960
of the Mississippi connection to the to

1004
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:06,650
this ancient copper Theory trade theory

1005
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,530
on the Mississippi Gulf Coast there are

1006
00:53:14,589 --> 00:53:11,119
two archaeological sites

1007
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:14,599
side-by-side and there at the mouth of

1008
00:53:18,509 --> 00:53:16,460
the Pearl River which is where these

1009
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:18,519
stone anchors were found further north

1010
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:23,089
and on these two archaeological sites

1011
00:53:28,450 --> 00:53:25,369
there were some some unusual findings

1012
00:53:29,499 --> 00:53:28,460
there I mean they its these were you

1013
00:53:32,739 --> 00:53:29,509
know they say that they were

1014
00:53:34,749 --> 00:53:32,749
quote-unquote poppy culture type sites

1015
00:53:38,259 --> 00:53:34,759
because they do find artifacts from that

1016
00:53:40,269 --> 00:53:38,269
era the Poverty Point culture there but

1017
00:53:43,329 --> 00:53:40,279
they also have some other very unusual

1018
00:53:46,059 --> 00:53:43,339
characteristics of just I'm just an you

1019
00:53:48,910 --> 00:53:46,069
know Native American site they it

1020
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:48,920
appeared the archaeological reports said

1021
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,650
that the people who it was two different

1022
00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:54,079
cultures who occupied each of the two

1023
00:53:59,710 --> 00:53:57,980
sites they live side-by-side to

1024
00:54:01,690 --> 00:53:59,720
different cultures it said they were

1025
00:54:06,999 --> 00:54:01,700
foreigners who spoke a different

1026
00:54:10,660 --> 00:54:07,009
language than the locals on these two

1027
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:10,670
sites there there were very long and

1028
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:17,420
deep horse burn pits so they had a very

1029
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:20,960
large operation of some kind some kind

1030
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:23,390
of factory where they were burning

1031
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:26,559
something they had a like 100 meter long

1032
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:29,980
you know a hundred meters of hearts on

1033
00:54:37,269 --> 00:54:32,450
each of these two sites that are side by

1034
00:54:39,819 --> 00:54:37,279
side so it's been hypothesized that that

1035
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:39,829
the copper was taken to these sites and

1036
00:54:46,029 --> 00:54:42,140
that's where it was melted into the into

1037
00:54:48,279 --> 00:54:46,039
the oxide molds as far as evidence for

1038
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:48,289
that theory they find a lot of these

1039
00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:51,230
clay pieces that seem to have had have

1040
00:55:01,059 --> 00:54:56,180
no usable purpose and the suggestion is

1041
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:01,069
that these clay pieces were forms for

1042
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:03,880
the oxides that they were poured into

1043
00:55:10,539 --> 00:55:08,720
and like I said one of the when they did

1044
00:55:13,089 --> 00:55:10,549
it they drilled into the core of one of

1045
00:55:16,450 --> 00:55:13,099
the copper oxides that was found in the

1046
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:16,460
Mediterranean it depicted

1047
00:55:20,979 --> 00:55:19,369
characteristics of of

1048
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:20,989
copper that would have been poured under

1049
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:22,730
conditions like this and it was poured

1050
00:55:29,890 --> 00:55:23,619
in

1051
00:55:32,499 --> 00:55:29,900
environment that's why it's called they

1052
00:55:37,049 --> 00:55:32,509
referred as blister copper there's a lot

1053
00:55:40,299 --> 00:55:37,059
of cavities inside these inside these

1054
00:55:42,459 --> 00:55:40,309
copper ingots and it's to the point

1055
00:55:43,989 --> 00:55:42,469
where if they're they're actually kind

1056
00:55:46,029 --> 00:55:43,999
of fragile if you were to drop one they

1057
00:55:53,049 --> 00:55:46,039
say it should they shatter because it's

1058
00:55:55,569 --> 00:55:53,059
so porous and is it a mechanism of the

1059
00:55:58,599 --> 00:55:55,579
technology of the day or was it more

1060
00:56:01,709 --> 00:55:58,609
based on the less than stellar

1061
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:01,719
conditions that they were working under

1062
00:56:04,989 --> 00:56:03,890
probably both you know they were under

1063
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:04,999
broken under less than stellar

1064
00:56:11,099 --> 00:56:07,130
conditions I mean they were had these

1065
00:56:13,029 --> 00:56:11,109
fire pits going uh you know it's it's a

1066
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:13,039
Mississippi is a fairly washed

1067
00:56:22,449 --> 00:56:19,719
there's a lot of water getting on these

1068
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:22,459
things not specific but it seems to fit

1069
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:31,740
but see that I just find that

1070
00:56:36,210 --> 00:56:33,910
interesting any thoughts on who might

1071
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:36,220
have been doing all of the work

1072
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:39,480
I mean mining is not a simple operation

1073
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,180
smelting is not a simple operation do

1074
00:56:50,579 --> 00:56:46,000
you think that if it was mediterraneans

1075
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:50,589
coming here that they were enslaving the

1076
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:52,210
natives or do you think they kept

1077
00:56:57,089 --> 00:56:54,540
separate and just did their own business

1078
00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:57,099
it seems logical that they would have

1079
00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:00,940
enslaved the locals or somehow procured

1080
00:57:08,819 --> 00:57:03,070
their labor most likely under slave

1081
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,829
circumstances though is there any you

1082
00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:10,920
know you talked about them living in

1083
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:14,920
mirror you know in in a encampment near

1084
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:19,680
there but there isn't any references to

1085
00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:23,770
being put under into labor or anything

1086
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:25,960
like that you know referring back to the

1087
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:28,630
mining operations I'm not aware of that

1088
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:33,310
I'm not aware of any legends of slavery

1089
00:57:40,829 --> 00:57:37,390
you know it's it falls outside of the

1090
00:57:42,930 --> 00:57:40,839
evidence that I've seen ok we have a

1091
00:57:45,540 --> 00:57:42,940
question from somebody that's not in the

1092
00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:45,550
chatroom mark and he wanted to know if

1093
00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:47,260
there were any reports of these people

1094
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:52,750
being giants no I'm not I don't have it

1095
00:57:57,390 --> 00:57:55,210
come across a giant connection here ok

1096
00:58:00,930 --> 00:57:57,400
that I personally that I personally come

1097
00:58:05,490 --> 00:58:00,940
across I um there does seem to have been

1098
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,500
a a group of giants that live throughout

1099
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:07,119
the Americas there's a lot of evidence

1100
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:07,960
for that

1101
00:58:17,059 --> 00:58:10,750
but I just it doesn't really play into

1102
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,069
this particular story here yeah you know

1103
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:19,599
one of the things that I know that is

1104
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,530
all over the Mississippi Ohio Valley are

1105
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:25,599
mounds and you know you've been talking

1106
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,930
about these rock formations but where

1107
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:31,119
these rock formations have been found

1108
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:33,730
is there also a mound culture associated

1109
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:37,450
with it there is a mound culture and it

1110
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:42,880
was uh like I said the the Poverty Point

1111
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:46,610
site which and I did mentioned earlier

1112
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:47,810
that they were you know it depicts

1113
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:51,470
evidence of Egyptian influence and they

1114
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:54,530
have a very large very very large mound

1115
00:59:02,380 --> 00:58:57,890
there that is called the bird Mound

1116
00:59:04,450 --> 00:59:02,390
it's mound a on the site and it's it

1117
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:04,460
depicts a very large bird of some kind

1118
00:59:11,110 --> 00:59:07,580
which it's been suggested that could be

1119
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:11,120
in you know assemble for Horus the

1120
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:15,680
Egyptian bird deity but you know another

1121
00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:18,830
thing at Poverty Point is that it's it's

1122
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:22,460
a series of concentric rings that covers

1123
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:27,070
a mile about almost one mile across and

1124
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:31,460
this series of concentric rings it

1125
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:36,530
matches you know Egyptian style of a

1126
00:59:40,330 --> 00:59:37,520
board game it's called

1127
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:40,340
mayhem it was a game that was played in

1128
00:59:45,310 --> 00:59:43,190
Egypt and throughout about the

1129
00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:45,320
Mediterranean in an ancient area and

1130
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:48,820
they also find at the Poverty Point site

1131
00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:52,190
these clay artifacts that they look like

1132
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:54,800
they were dice or they were looked like

1133
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:56,330
they were some other type of game pieces

1134
01:00:04,420 --> 00:59:59,570
so it's hypothesized that this was some

1135
01:00:07,090 --> 01:00:04,430
type of a you know in a place where they

1136
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:07,100
were in addition to they also find trait

1137
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:10,430
traces of copper in a large traces of

1138
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:13,520
copper so somehow the the Poverty Point

1139
01:00:19,780 --> 01:00:15,410
site Louisiana tied into the copper

1140
01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:19,790
trade and it may have been a you know

1141
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:23,030
some place but they stopped and rested

1142
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:27,050
for a while or something but another

1143
01:00:32,350 --> 01:00:30,200
another signature of Egyptian influences

1144
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:32,360
that the figures the clay figures that

1145
01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:36,470
they find there are they have a cleft

1146
01:00:47,260 --> 01:00:45,260
head which is you know it's oh I am not

1147
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:47,270
paying attention to the time but we need

1148
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:50,830
to go to Murray so I'm doctor

1149
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:52,690
we were talking to Brandon heard about

1150
01:00:57,060 --> 01:00:55,150
his book ancient Mississippi and we will

1151
01:00:59,760 --> 01:00:57,070
be back with Brandon after these words

1152
01:01:03,120 --> 01:00:59,770
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01:01:58,620 --> 01:01:56,800
they're mine and you guys like me a

1175
01:02:01,080 --> 01:01:58,630
little bit at least that's what some

1176
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:01,090
people tell me anyway so we've been

1177
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:02,950
talking to Brandon heard about his book

1178
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:05,950
ancient Mississippi and Brandon I meant

1179
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:07,870
to mention this before the break and I

1180
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:10,270
forgot that you also have a Facebook

1181
01:02:15,420 --> 01:02:12,850
page that's called ancient Mississippi

1182
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:15,430
and why don't you just spend a couple

1183
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:17,290
seconds telling people what you actually

1184
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:19,090
put on that page because I know that you

1185
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:20,530
have a lot of information that you

1186
01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:23,370
actually post there to share with people

1187
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:28,300
okay that's a page where I'm a highlight

1188
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:31,930
and I reveal a lot of the photographs

1189
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:35,200
and I try to make it in short bullet

1190
01:02:39,150 --> 01:02:37,210
format where I don't try and overwhelm

1191
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:39,160
somebody with all this information but I

1192
01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:40,600
believe that a picture can tell a

1193
01:02:45,710 --> 01:02:42,190
thousand work is worth a thousand words

1194
01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:45,720
and I try and put together the

1195
01:02:50,850 --> 01:02:47,980
photographs and images in a way that

1196
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:50,860
kind of tell the story without you know

1197
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:52,900
having to read too much so it's easily

1198
01:03:02,850 --> 01:02:57,850
too easy to digest and in addition to to

1199
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:02,860
my research several other authors and

1200
01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:05,710
researchers have begun to

1201
01:03:13,830 --> 01:03:09,550
a wealth of just very interesting

1202
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:13,840
related subject matter and it's also you

1203
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:16,090
know it's where I've had several people

1204
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:19,570
contact me through this Facebook group

1205
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,720
and and have shared with me some some of

1206
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:24,880
their finds you know that they some

1207
01:03:28,860 --> 01:03:27,340
artifacts that they found that they

1208
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:28,870
don't know what to do with you know that

1209
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:31,780
that are artifacts in this in this vein

1210
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:34,450
you know they fall outside of accepted

1211
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:37,330
history so in whatever whatever I get

1212
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:38,770
that I try and run those to the ground

1213
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:40,110
as best I can

1214
01:03:46,850 --> 01:03:42,370
or put them in touch with somebody who's

1215
01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:46,860
you know maybe better qualified mmm-hmm

1216
01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:49,420
so when we when we left off we were

1217
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:52,300
talking about you know some of the

1218
01:04:02,010 --> 01:03:59,280
excavated from around the country is

1219
01:04:06,030 --> 01:04:02,020
there any other kind of evidence of

1220
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:06,040
other cultures coming to the Americas

1221
01:04:13,020 --> 01:04:09,450
that we don't really hear about

1222
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:13,030
definitely there are you know as far as

1223
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:14,730
you know once again the the

1224
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:19,270
Mediterranean cultures that were you

1225
01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:20,620
know there's you could write in

1226
01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:24,870
encyclopedia on the artifacts that have

1227
01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:27,220
that appeared to suggest a connection

1228
01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:28,420
okay

1229
01:04:31,830 --> 01:04:30,190
the multiple shipwrecks you know

1230
01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:31,840
throughout the coastlines of North and

1231
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:34,840
South America talked about earlier but

1232
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:36,250
there's some other things I mean some

1233
01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:41,320
other agricultural things that that show

1234
01:04:48,030 --> 01:04:46,630
up for example back in the mid-70s you

1235
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:48,040
know they find they began to find

1236
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:54,790
nicotine in in mummies and nicotine

1237
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:56,530
because from tobacco which is from the

1238
01:05:00,930 --> 01:04:57,730
Americas they really didn't have

1239
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:00,940
nicotine in the in the whole world in

1240
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:06,550
addition they find cocaine residue in a

1241
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:12,160
large number of mummies so I guess they

1242
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:14,110
have all the good stuff here in America

1243
01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:16,510
yes all the goods well they took it

1244
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:18,340
that's what they were you know

1245
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:20,970
they came and got what they didn't have

1246
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:26,260
also North American corn of the type

1247
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:29,400
grown in the Americas shows up in in

1248
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:34,110
artwork where they allegedly didn't have

1249
01:05:42,570 --> 01:05:40,390
North American corn in in Egypt but it

1250
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:42,580
shows up in their artwork well you know

1251
01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:46,390
I was just okay I'm really kind of geeky

1252
01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:49,540
and I've been reading the Old Testament

1253
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:51,640
again actually I'm working out a bunch

1254
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:54,010
of articles and so I needed to reference

1255
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:55,210
and so I was like you know I'm just

1256
01:06:00,420 --> 01:05:58,210
gonna read the Torah again and get my

1257
01:06:06,030 --> 01:06:00,430
material and one of the things that they

1258
01:06:09,330 --> 01:06:06,040
were talking about was about corn you

1259
01:06:11,310 --> 01:06:09,340
know Moses and corn and something and I

1260
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:11,320
have written a piece actually was

1261
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:14,010
published in ancient America about the

1262
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:16,900
evolution and development of corn in the

1263
01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:20,170
Americas and corn is an indigenous crop

1264
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:23,020
to the Americas and so how could they

1265
01:06:27,210 --> 01:06:25,840
have had it in Egypt and actually that

1266
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,220
was something I was going to start to

1267
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:29,440
run down myself how could they have had

1268
01:06:37,050 --> 01:06:34,600
it in Egypt by Moses time if there

1269
01:06:39,660 --> 01:06:37,060
wasn't some kind of a connection back

1270
01:06:43,860 --> 01:06:39,670
then correct and when you talk about

1271
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:43,870
Moses's time it's I think it's many hist

1272
01:06:49,110 --> 01:06:46,210
it's hard to put a exact date on that

1273
01:06:55,020 --> 01:06:49,120
but it's generally accepted that was

1274
01:06:59,600 --> 01:06:55,030
around 1450 BC which incidentally is the

1275
01:07:02,130 --> 01:06:59,610
time that that the Minoan culture who

1276
01:07:05,460 --> 01:07:02,140
appears to have been involved in this

1277
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:05,470
Northup a global copper trade that's

1278
01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:08,910
when their civilization began to decline

1279
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:12,670
because they were a significant portion

1280
01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:15,130
of their Island was devastated by a

1281
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:22,180
tsunami from a nearby volcanic island

1282
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,710
blew up and it struck the island of

1283
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:29,440
Crete so bad that it seemed to set their

1284
01:07:34,829 --> 01:07:32,490
set the Minoans back

1285
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:34,839
you know it almost it causes their

1286
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,890
culture to then go into decline so

1287
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,480
that's kind of about the timeframe that

1288
01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:43,359
it appears that this industry began to

1289
01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:45,640
taper off was about this the era of

1290
01:07:51,059 --> 01:07:48,460
Moses and if you speaking of the Bible

1291
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:51,069
if you look at the the Exodus many of

1292
01:07:59,299 --> 01:07:55,930
the things the can be explained as a

1293
01:08:02,250 --> 01:07:59,309
result of you know natural disaster

1294
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:02,260
although the most of the plagues that

1295
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:05,920
were set upon Egypt could be explained

1296
01:08:13,259 --> 01:08:10,089
by by environmental disruptions the

1297
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:13,269
locusts the frogs the the water turning

1298
01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:17,049
to blood some of the others escaping

1299
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:18,609
right now but it seems plausible that

1300
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:26,160
ecological disaster nearby also as Moses

1301
01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:30,299
beginning to go they began to go towards

1302
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:34,420
the promised land Israel they at night

1303
01:08:41,099 --> 01:08:38,710
they followed pillars of fire well

1304
01:08:43,499 --> 01:08:41,109
that's our first real connection there

1305
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,509
no no there's pillars of fire well said

1306
01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:46,080
it sounds like it could have been a

1307
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:50,620
volcanic event you know a volcanic which

1308
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:52,330
was to the north of them I mean it was

1309
01:08:58,740 --> 01:08:55,089
out in the Mediterranean the island of

1310
01:09:00,120 --> 01:08:58,750
Crete it very likely you know it could

1311
01:09:02,910 --> 01:09:00,130
have got high enough to where it would

1312
01:09:06,329 --> 01:09:02,920
have been a fire in the sky so are you

1313
01:09:11,519 --> 01:09:06,339
trying to deny exists to the explosion

1314
01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:11,529
of Santorini yes I am okay yeah it seems

1315
01:09:17,419 --> 01:09:14,350
plausible so I mean and I think it's a

1316
01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:17,429
very interesting theory you know and

1317
01:09:21,599 --> 01:09:19,750
this as long as you don't like call it

1318
01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:21,609
Atlantis you know which some people

1319
01:09:27,419 --> 01:09:23,380
wanted some people do some people they

1320
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:27,429
know some people do yeah and you know

1321
01:09:36,419 --> 01:09:30,310
you mention Atlantis as far as the story

1322
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:36,429
of the most compelling account of this

1323
01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:39,850
the the best case for this global

1324
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:42,909
conference raid has put out in a book by

1325
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:44,890
Gavin Menzies

1326
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:48,130
a very a book not written for academics

1327
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:50,170
it's written for a more general

1328
01:09:59,040 --> 01:09:54,610
readership such as myself and it it

1329
01:10:01,920 --> 01:09:59,050
makes it all very easy to digest in a

1330
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:01,930
non-academic way which most of the stuff

1331
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:05,050
that we deal with here is put out in an

1332
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:07,930
academic format which is slightly more

1333
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:10,270
difficult to digest and how Gavin

1334
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:13,330
Menzies does it and his book was a I

1335
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:15,810
know Atlantis was in the title but he

1336
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:19,510
the case that he lays out it's very very

1337
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:24,370
very compelling and he was a UH a he was

1338
01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:26,770
in the Royal Navy he was a submarine

1339
01:10:33,630 --> 01:10:29,380
commander for the majority of his career

1340
01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:33,640
and he has made the voyage you know

1341
01:10:40,860 --> 01:10:37,000
across the Atlantic quite a few times

1342
01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:40,870
and he's very for me with one of the

1343
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:43,270
things that he brought to the to the

1344
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:46,510
table with his accounts was a very

1345
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:49,510
strong knowledge of agent seamanship and

1346
01:10:59,190 --> 01:10:53,940
of kurnitz and and he explains it very

1347
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,200
plausibly how you know the Minoans how

1348
01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:00,880
you know their their artwork their

1349
01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:02,440
frescoes that they've asked of it

1350
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:07,060
excavated depicts you know very large

1351
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:10,510
multi masted ships that would have been

1352
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:15,210
very capable of making this voyage and

1353
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:17,770
then he makes the case you know of where

1354
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:19,210
you know the Manoa

1355
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:20,770
this this shipwreck this Minoan

1356
01:11:26,540 --> 01:11:21,850
shipwreck that was found off the coast

1357
01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:26,550
of Turkey it had it had trade items from

1358
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:31,240
from five continents five different

1359
01:11:36,450 --> 01:11:31,840
continents

1360
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:36,460
you know they had Baltic amber they had

1361
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:43,270
a I've African ivory and other things at

1362
01:11:52,290 --> 01:11:50,050
a North American copper so so the the

1363
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:52,300
case of that it was the Minoans who were

1364
01:11:58,260 --> 01:11:57,130
known in that era as the copper copper

1365
01:12:03,330 --> 01:11:58,270
traders and

1366
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:03,340
in the copper industry you know and the

1367
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:06,460
reason why perhaps it's not well first

1368
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:07,630
of all we didn't really know about the

1369
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:09,850
Minoans until the early 1900s that's

1370
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:12,970
when they were first rediscovered okay

1371
01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:15,880
on the island of crete and the extent of

1372
01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:17,500
their civilization was really not known

1373
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:23,910
until fairly recently so as far as their

1374
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:25,960
expeditions to the americas

1375
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:31,870
well bronze which is nine parts copper

1376
01:12:38,340 --> 01:12:35,470
to one part ten the tin probably came

1377
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:38,350
from england because there's a fine

1378
01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:48,960
biology of its era and so they would

1379
01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:50,620
have they wouldn't this is not something

1380
01:12:56,460 --> 01:12:54,190
that they would have shared where they

1381
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:56,470
were getting this these large quantities

1382
01:13:02,250 --> 01:13:00,880
of a very very pure copper this would

1383
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:02,260
have you know a classified military

1384
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:05,410
operation because if you had if you had

1385
01:13:11,340 --> 01:13:08,500
bronze weapons and the Kingdom next

1386
01:13:15,390 --> 01:13:11,350
years had stone weapons or if they had

1387
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:15,400
copper weapons you could easily

1388
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:17,080
annihilate them you would win the

1389
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:20,020
battles so that was that little bit of

1390
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:22,390
technology that would give your military

1391
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:26,350
a superior position on the battlefield

1392
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:29,650
so they it's just like now we're not

1393
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:33,250
gonna reveal the source of our military

1394
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:34,950
technology we're gonna keep it a secret

1395
01:13:44,340 --> 01:13:37,600
so that's why it wasn't necessarily

1396
01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:44,350
widely known but so that's the Minoan

1397
01:13:50,130 --> 01:13:46,270
copper strength train but there's

1398
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:50,140
there's evidence of other in North

1399
01:13:59,880 --> 01:13:53,370
America specifically there have been

1400
01:14:04,320 --> 01:13:59,890
several Egyptian artifacts found there

1401
01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:04,330
was one there's been a an Egyptian

1402
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:06,700
clearly Egyptian statue that was found

1403
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:10,870
in in Libertyville Illinois I mean it's

1404
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:13,010
you know it's it's appears to be a

1405
01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:20,000
distinctly Egyptian artifact so there's

1406
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:23,680
also been a very distinctly Egyptian

1407
01:14:31,210 --> 01:14:27,620
statues found in in El Salvador as well

1408
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:31,220
as here in Jackson Mississippi and we

1409
01:14:38,110 --> 01:14:34,880
have a world-class collection of South

1410
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:38,120
and Central American artifacts and some

1411
01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:42,310
of those to pick characteristics

1412
01:14:49,980 --> 01:14:45,860
distinct characteristics of Egyptian

1413
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:49,990
influence there's a figure that has a

1414
01:14:59,950 --> 01:14:53,090
Nefertiti hat it's found in Mexico and

1415
01:15:02,200 --> 01:14:59,960
it's here in my local museum so and the

1416
01:15:07,570 --> 01:15:02,210
style of Nefertiti hat it's it appears

1417
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:07,580
it's not uncommon and uh in certain

1418
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:15,310
and it was that traditional kind of

1419
01:15:20,839 --> 01:15:19,170
headdress I think it was a ceremonial to

1420
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:20,849
it it was it appears that it was

1421
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:23,840
something very important and it appears

1422
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:30,000
on high-quality important senior figures

1423
01:15:35,589 --> 01:15:32,820
clay figures it was something they were

1424
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:35,599
wanting to two-member memoral

1425
01:15:44,089 --> 01:15:42,420
memorialize was uh was these Egyptians

1426
01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:44,099
were or something they wanted to record

1427
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:45,989
you know that their presence was

1428
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:47,400
something they wanted there was

1429
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:49,770
something important to them and they

1430
01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:51,800
wanted to to leave a record of it and

1431
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:07,040
so I mean the one of the things that you

1432
01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:08,940
talked about in your book ancient

1433
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:11,070
Mississippi is about coins that were

1434
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:12,750
found could you talk about that a little

1435
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:15,570
bit because I think you know when we

1436
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,460
when we go and dig around and you find a

1437
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:22,080
coin I mean it's kind of like a time

1438
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:24,750
stamp in my opinion mm-hmm

1439
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:28,560
it also kind of depends on on how it was

1440
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,380
found and where it was found how deep it

1441
01:16:37,450 --> 01:16:34,080
was found was it found in a UH you know

1442
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:37,460
in an Indian Mound that kind of thing

1443
01:16:46,580 --> 01:16:43,140
and I'm sorry but there have been at

1444
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:46,590
least 10 that I'm aware of

1445
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:48,780
very likely many more and there's

1446
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:51,240
certainly many more that have not been

1447
01:17:01,940 --> 01:16:53,480
found but there have been at least 10

1448
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:01,950
old world coins found throughout the

1449
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:06,540
southern you who enter a u.s. and these

1450
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:07,770
coins have been said they've been

1451
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:10,370
determined by academics to be legitimate

1452
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:14,370
coins from many of them appear to have

1453
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,930
originated from Carthage circa 400 AD so

1454
01:17:28,700 --> 01:17:24,480
that timeline doesn't necessarily line

1455
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:28,710
up with the Minoan theory but it does

1456
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,400
line up with a later later visitations

1457
01:17:38,660 --> 01:17:35,280
to me but you know when when you find

1458
01:17:41,540 --> 01:17:38,670
things like that it makes you think that

1459
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:41,550
scholars think that we're running around

1460
01:17:47,390 --> 01:17:45,120
and I have this Egyptian coin and I'm

1461
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:47,400
just gonna toss it on the ground I mean

1462
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:50,370
really really like their argument is

1463
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:53,610
that it's coin collectors who have just

1464
01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:56,970
lost these coins really yummy come on

1465
01:18:01,970 --> 01:17:59,460
yeah and I can argue that if you had

1466
01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:01,980
found one it's pretty plausible that you

1467
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:03,480
know birds could have carried it you

1468
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,850
know fish could have eaten it and swam

1469
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:08,400
over here that's plausible for one maybe

1470
01:18:14,430 --> 01:18:12,210
two but they're finding these coins and

1471
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:14,440
other

1472
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:19,310
roman-style artifacts along specific

1473
01:18:26,140 --> 01:18:23,360
waterways specifically the Ohio River

1474
01:18:29,229 --> 01:18:26,150
Valley and the Ohio River that's where

1475
01:18:35,380 --> 01:18:29,239
they find these these uh old world coins

1476
01:18:39,190 --> 01:18:35,390
and other other metal artifacts that

1477
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:39,200
that may have been Roman and orange now

1478
01:18:47,380 --> 01:18:44,330
there's another very very sound theory

1479
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:47,390
out there by a fellow researcher Rick

1480
01:18:56,170 --> 01:18:53,210
Osmond that that the Roman Ninth Legion

1481
01:18:59,229 --> 01:18:56,180
came to the Americas they kind of

1482
01:19:01,900 --> 01:18:59,239
disappeared from history under kind of

1483
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:01,910
mysterious circumstances they seem to

1484
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:04,880
have dropped off the dropped off the

1485
01:19:13,870 --> 01:19:10,790
radar I believe about 300 300 AD and

1486
01:19:15,370 --> 01:19:13,880
they just kind of they were a very

1487
01:19:17,170 --> 01:19:15,380
notable fighting force up until a

1488
01:19:20,890 --> 01:19:17,180
certain point and then they just

1489
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:20,900
vanished and it's it's been theorized

1490
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:24,170
that they came to the Americas for some

1491
01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:28,010
reason and believe I mentioned earlier

1492
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:29,750
that that there's are some stone

1493
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:35,090
structures throughout Indiana in

1494
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:39,710
Tennessee that uh that are built in a

1495
01:19:48,190 --> 01:19:43,760
fashion that's very much in line with

1496
01:19:50,620 --> 01:19:48,200
Roman military structures specifically

1497
01:19:52,150 --> 01:19:50,630
signal towers and they find other

1498
01:19:54,370 --> 01:19:52,160
artifacts that they were that they were

1499
01:20:01,060 --> 01:19:54,380
it built a series of signal towers

1500
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:03,130
and they also find some meddlesome some

1501
01:20:14,110 --> 01:20:10,480
Roman metal artifacts so there's that

1502
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:14,120
here a visitation and there's also

1503
01:20:22,030 --> 01:20:18,770
appears that there was a Celtic presence

1504
01:20:26,530 --> 01:20:22,040
in in North America and possibly South

1505
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:26,540
America as well but in recently or now

1506
01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:29,120
in West Virginia there's a another

1507
01:20:39,010 --> 01:20:32,950
fellow researcher yoli Molina who she

1508
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:39,020
has found some incredible car stone

1509
01:20:51,310 --> 01:20:44,810
carvings that are they match identically

1510
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:51,320
to to Celtic stone carvings found in

1511
01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:55,370
northern France and in in Germany and in

1512
01:21:02,920 --> 01:20:58,190
England and well northern France Ning

1513
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:02,930
and it's it's that are exactly the same

1514
01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:08,510
they find these alongside autumn writing

1515
01:21:15,010 --> 01:21:12,500
which is a Celtic ancient Celtic style

1516
01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:15,020
of writing that people of that era would

1517
01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:18,860
have left you know so and so the Celtx

1518
01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:22,040
are not the same as the Viking group

1519
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:24,640
that we pretty much only ever hear about

1520
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:28,570
yes correct it's a different group and

1521
01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:31,010
it would have been very likely an

1522
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:37,100
earlier and earlier visitation you know

1523
01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:39,410
and I saw some TV show that was talking

1524
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:41,390
about that there was actually a Jewish

1525
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,850
presence here in the United States -

1526
01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:46,400
what's with that that evidence is once

1527
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:49,580
again overwhelming if you if you would

1528
01:21:55,150 --> 01:21:51,350
you know have a feature on it on my

1529
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:55,160
Facebook group there's the the the bat

1530
01:22:04,930 --> 01:22:00,800
creek stone which has become recognized

1531
01:22:08,410 --> 01:22:04,940
as a legitimate artifact and it depicts

1532
01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:08,420
it's it can it was found I believe in

1533
01:22:15,670 --> 01:22:11,720
1872 and

1534
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:15,680
it's set for sixty plus years in the

1535
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:19,530
museum and they thought it was it the

1536
01:22:23,170 --> 01:22:20,940
writing that was on it they just thought

1537
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:23,180
oh that's just some Cherokee symbols

1538
01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:28,830
well a researcher in the 40s took

1539
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:30,420
another look at the artifact turned it

1540
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:33,810
upside down and realized that it was an

1541
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:37,620
early form of Hebrew writing so it went

1542
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:40,260
for if it was a if this was a hoax it

1543
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:42,930
wasn't a very good huh okay by the

1544
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,560
alleged perpetrator and you know it's

1545
01:22:50,530 --> 01:22:48,540
funny how the academics have gone after

1546
01:22:53,420 --> 01:22:50,540
the the guy who found it

1547
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:53,430
you know they've just attacked his uh

1548
01:23:00,130 --> 01:22:57,330
his integrity you know made him out to

1549
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:00,140
be a lot of things but but another

1550
01:23:06,650 --> 01:23:04,290
gentleman who is study the artifact very

1551
01:23:09,070 --> 01:23:06,660
deeply you know he's found out that this

1552
01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:09,080
this guy later served is uh he was a

1553
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:11,550
civil war veteran you know he was

1554
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,070
injured Civil War veteran who later was

1555
01:23:18,860 --> 01:23:17,280
elected to to some high offices in the

1556
01:23:21,230 --> 01:23:18,870
county that he lived in so he wasn't

1557
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:21,240
that bad of a character whereas

1558
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:23,250
historians and you know the academics

1559
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:25,170
have launched in and attacked his

1560
01:23:30,020 --> 01:23:26,070
integrity

1561
01:23:32,570 --> 01:23:30,030
so this bat Creek stone which has been

1562
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:32,580
highly studied it's it's it was found in

1563
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:37,890
a in a in an Indian Mound

1564
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,090
there's also a in its in Ohio

1565
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:44,880
it's an earthwork oddly enough it's

1566
01:23:55,390 --> 01:23:50,310
called and it it's also on my facebook

1567
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,400
site but the the early archetype

1568
01:24:02,240 --> 01:23:58,080
archaeological drawing of this earth

1569
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,250
work if you look at it you don't believe

1570
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:05,280
it because it's it's clearly a a Jewish

1571
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:10,410
menorah with a with a lamp at the top of

1572
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:13,920
it that's what it clearly is and this is

1573
01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:23,540
so while we're Native Americans way

1574
01:24:28,879 --> 01:24:26,070
before Columbus why were they creating

1575
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:28,889
earthworks that depicted menorahs and in

1576
01:24:37,129 --> 01:24:32,940
uh Middle Eastern style lamps oddly

1577
01:24:45,310 --> 01:24:37,139
enough this ties to a period in in

1578
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:45,320
Jewish history where the exact war

1579
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:49,489
eludes me right now but there were

1580
01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:52,050
actually two waves it appears of Jewish

1581
01:24:58,129 --> 01:24:54,360
migration to the Americas and it was as

1582
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:58,139
a result of times that they were you

1583
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:00,360
know being fight fighting large Wars I

1584
01:25:05,470 --> 01:25:03,690
mean they they they were refugees that

1585
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,480
were showing up on the shores of America

1586
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:07,920
and they were building they had these

1587
01:25:20,109 --> 01:25:13,679
artifacts they had these middle

1588
01:25:24,020 --> 01:25:20,119
eastern-style lamps that are found

1589
01:25:27,109 --> 01:25:24,030
so RW has a question and he wants to

1590
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:27,119
know if you know anything about little

1591
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:30,360
Egypt in Illinois yeah you know I've

1592
01:25:35,089 --> 01:25:31,770
looked into that and there's there's

1593
01:25:39,260 --> 01:25:35,099
also like here in Mississippi we've got

1594
01:25:41,359 --> 01:25:39,270
it Egyptian place names and kind of I

1595
01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:41,369
kind of hit a wall with that it was you

1596
01:25:47,569 --> 01:25:43,710
know it appears that that the a lot of

1597
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,579
these towns were named and during an era

1598
01:25:57,140 --> 01:25:50,040
where you know religion was an important

1599
01:26:00,290 --> 01:25:57,150
part of the vernacular and you know

1600
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,300
popular story was Egypt was a common

1601
01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:02,400
theme so I think that a lot of these

1602
01:26:08,899 --> 01:26:05,699
places were named because of maybe how

1603
01:26:12,919 --> 01:26:08,909
that city or that region how it kind of

1604
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:12,929
like was similar to to a biblical an

1605
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:15,060
area an area in the Bible so I think

1606
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:17,210
they're more bible names rather than

1607
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:19,770
specifically names for uh that were you

1608
01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:24,540
know as as left over from you know

1609
01:26:28,670 --> 01:26:27,179
earlier occupations earlier visitations

1610
01:26:32,820 --> 01:26:28,680
I think it's just kind of

1611
01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:32,830
more of a modern tradition all right

1612
01:26:40,260 --> 01:26:35,470
there was another question and now I'm

1613
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:40,270
trying to find it okay and actually I've

1614
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:42,310
had two people make a comment about this

1615
01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:44,650
about do you know anything about the

1616
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:48,340
Chinese people - not the Siberian wave

1617
01:26:53,610 --> 01:26:51,070
that we all know about but the about

1618
01:26:58,050 --> 01:26:53,620
Chinese coming to North America in the

1619
01:27:01,470 --> 01:26:58,060
BCS yes and that's more of the I'm

1620
01:27:04,410 --> 01:27:01,480
familiar with that story also Gavin

1621
01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:04,420
Menzies he is the he's probably the most

1622
01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:07,300
prolific researcher on that particular

1623
01:27:17,610 --> 01:27:12,280
vein but he makes a very compelling case

1624
01:27:21,210 --> 01:27:17,620
of a Chinese visitation to one degree or

1625
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:21,220
another to the Americas I mean they had

1626
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:25,060
the they had massive massive that

1627
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:27,870
sailing vessels and there there are

1628
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:29,140
artistic

1629
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:31,270
I mean there are some the art there's

1630
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:37,090
artistic Asian signatures left behind in

1631
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:40,090
in a variety of artifacts some of those

1632
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:43,360
some of those highlight on the my

1633
01:27:50,130 --> 01:27:46,800
facebook neighbor group artifacts it

1634
01:27:52,170 --> 01:27:50,140
they look like if I it's a surprise when

1635
01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:52,180
you look at them when I tell you that

1636
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,990
they came from Mexico you think no these

1637
01:28:01,650 --> 01:27:57,520
these are not Mexican things these are

1638
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:01,660
clearly Asian so yes there yeah there

1639
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:06,010
was a definite Asian but it doesn't seem

1640
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:08,710
like in any of these groups that they

1641
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:12,910
came here with the understanding that

1642
01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:15,520
they were going to stay because it

1643
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:17,350
doesn't seem like any of their

1644
01:28:25,710 --> 01:28:21,610
technology really came with them other

1645
01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:25,720
than these very small fragments unless

1646
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:28,870
and I will throw in and unless it's all

1647
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:31,930
buried and has yet to be uncovered yeah

1648
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:33,310
I mean that's well that's characteristic

1649
01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:35,290
of North America if you uh especially

1650
01:28:39,150 --> 01:28:37,240
for example here in Mississippi you know

1651
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:39,160
if you go up if I build a house in the

1652
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,460
woods and I leave it alone for ten years

1653
01:28:45,660 --> 01:28:44,320
I'm gonna come back in ten years and

1654
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:45,670
there's gonna be trees growing up

1655
01:28:58,020 --> 01:28:55,140
creating matte material that's gonna

1656
01:29:02,370 --> 01:28:58,030
it's this thing's ever gonna sink you

1657
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:02,380
know they're gonna disappear unless they

1658
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,690
were constructed in the 21st century and

1659
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,120
then they'll just stay for forever yeah

1660
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:09,040
well no no I mean some of these

1661
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:11,170
artifacts some of these things for

1662
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:16,690
example the Olmec statues you know of

1663
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:19,770
what of what you're around every day

1664
01:29:25,980 --> 01:29:22,090
3,500 years from now how much of that's

1665
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:25,990
still going to be there you know well I

1666
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:28,390
mean some of that material is so hard

1667
01:29:31,980 --> 01:29:30,970
that I wouldn't doubt that it would

1668
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:31,990
still be here

1669
01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:37,630
be it will have been walked into the

1670
01:29:45,210 --> 01:29:41,710
ground mm-hmm yeah unlike a McDonald's

1671
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:45,220
drink cup it well it could be worked

1672
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:48,190
very deep in the ground but it'll still

1673
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,170
be recognized when the graphics won't

1674
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:52,480
even have worn off yeah yeah

1675
01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:54,010
well I don't think that there was

1676
01:29:59,460 --> 01:29:56,500
necessarily a McDonald's cups you know

1677
01:30:02,310 --> 01:29:59,470
1500 BC but you know well no but I do

1678
01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:02,320
know I always conjecture you know 5,000

1679
01:30:08,430 --> 01:30:05,350
years down the road and archaeologists

1680
01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:08,440
are you know uncovering some area and

1681
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:11,380
they find this cup with the God to the

1682
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:14,710
golden arches or this female goddess

1683
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:17,880
figure Wendy because of all of these

1684
01:30:30,570 --> 01:30:22,650
ritualistic cups that are used you know

1685
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:30,580
to honor her and it's all sarcasm

1686
01:30:38,610 --> 01:30:34,750
intended Starbucks the Starbucks sauce

1687
01:30:40,380 --> 01:30:38,620
but see all of theirs are paper oh okay

1688
01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:40,390
you know what I mean McDonald's and all

1689
01:30:44,460 --> 01:30:43,000
the fast food they're all plastic you

1690
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:44,470
know I mean a lot of them have gone to

1691
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:46,510
styrofoam so that might be a little more

1692
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:48,250
biodegradable but you know that hard

1693
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:50,050
plastic that ain't going anywhere for a

1694
01:31:00,180 --> 01:30:55,680
canopic jars they make would make a

1695
01:31:01,260 --> 01:31:00,190
great canopic jar so one of the sites

1696
01:31:03,450 --> 01:31:01,270
you know when I was going through your

1697
01:31:05,250 --> 01:31:03,460
book something that really intrigued me

1698
01:31:08,850 --> 01:31:05,260
and I'd like to have a whole

1699
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:08,860
conversation about this was a discovery

1700
01:31:18,170 --> 01:31:12,210
and I didn't write down which site of

1701
01:31:22,940 --> 01:31:18,180
clay pyramids well it was a clay

1702
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:22,950
structure of a floor is a more accurate

1703
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:24,130
okay

1704
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:28,090
description of this thing and it's it

1705
01:31:35,970 --> 01:31:31,810
came out of a a journal that date it's

1706
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:35,980
in 1872 and it gave a rough location to

1707
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:39,970
the place that it took knocking on a few

1708
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:42,370
doors and asking if anybody was familiar

1709
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:44,110
with this place and it turned up pretty

1710
01:31:47,780 --> 01:31:44,650
quick

1711
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:47,790
but once I arrived there it matched

1712
01:31:55,650 --> 01:31:52,050
identically to the description in the

1713
01:32:01,860 --> 01:31:55,660
1872 description and what at that time

1714
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:01,870
they described it as a clay floor that

1715
01:32:07,740 --> 01:32:05,530
emerged when they began to remove three

1716
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:07,750
feet of earth in this one particular

1717
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,250
area of Mississippi okay so and that's

1718
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:14,080
but that's what was there there was you

1719
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:17,770
know a level of Earth three feet above

1720
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:19,690
it you know with trees on it everything

1721
01:32:32,490 --> 01:32:23,010
and then this there was this clay

1722
01:32:37,650 --> 01:32:32,500
obviously man-made floor that it was it

1723
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:37,660
had areas where it was obviously worked

1724
01:32:46,290 --> 01:32:41,620
okay like it had a lip it had a lip on

1725
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:46,300
one side so and it also had a it also

1726
01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:51,310
had a an art and artistic rendering of

1727
01:32:59,190 --> 01:32:55,630
some kind it has been exposed and it has

1728
01:33:02,370 --> 01:32:59,200
been driven over for over hunt you know

1729
01:33:05,109 --> 01:33:02,380
for a long time now they integrated into

1730
01:33:08,649 --> 01:33:05,119
part of a rural road so

1731
01:33:11,290 --> 01:33:08,659
but it's not driven over very much but

1732
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:11,300
it's part of a road and so it has begun

1733
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:14,710
to crack and it's not like it was in

1734
01:33:23,129 --> 01:33:19,810
1872 but it is still obviously man-made

1735
01:33:25,709 --> 01:33:23,139
it also contains it's loaded up with

1736
01:33:31,930 --> 01:33:25,719
I've never seen anything like this bits

1737
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:31,940
has large chunks of iron ore or perhaps

1738
01:33:37,839 --> 01:33:36,560
iron ore that are that are all around it

1739
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:37,849
which is very unusual

1740
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:42,320
so it's you know dr. lists and myself we

1741
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:44,330
hypothesize it's near a body of water

1742
01:33:54,030 --> 01:33:48,770
and the hypothesis is this was perhaps a

1743
01:33:57,820 --> 01:33:54,040
loading dock for the for the iron

1744
01:34:00,280 --> 01:33:57,830
operation because it's next next to uh

1745
01:34:01,810 --> 01:34:00,290
it's not very far from the Brandywine

1746
01:34:05,379 --> 01:34:01,820
stone wall that's connected by a

1747
01:34:12,010 --> 01:34:05,389
waterway and it goes to a larger

1748
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:12,020
waterway so you know okay so that wasn't

1749
01:34:16,750 --> 01:34:13,730
really what I was talking about but it

1750
01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:16,760
is pretty interesting so the one that I

1751
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:19,070
was because I just opened your book and

1752
01:34:31,780 --> 01:34:29,360
found this was the clay pyramid at Jakes

1753
01:34:35,530 --> 01:34:31,790
town okay Jay yes

1754
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:35,540
Jake town yeah and the reason that I

1755
01:34:40,180 --> 01:34:38,690
bring it up is that well let me hear

1756
01:34:43,570 --> 01:34:40,190
what you have to say and I'll throw out

1757
01:34:45,370 --> 01:34:43,580
my little blurb on it and and the part

1758
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,380
that I'm the most curious about are the

1759
01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:47,679
shape here you pieces that look like

1760
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:51,980
pyramids yes pyramid yes okay okay those

1761
01:35:01,089 --> 01:34:55,190
are and I found something that recently

1762
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:01,099
about that but that that shape and you

1763
01:35:06,030 --> 01:35:02,719
can have to remind me there's a term I

1764
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:06,040
used to describe the shape it's not yeah

1765
01:35:12,850 --> 01:35:09,050
tetrahedron thank you very much yes okay

1766
01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:12,860
Jake town it's once again it's a it's a

1767
01:35:18,460 --> 01:35:16,790
very it predates Poverty Point okay but

1768
01:35:22,210 --> 01:35:18,470
it's a Native American site

1769
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:22,220
that it's a predecessor to the prop

1770
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:24,530
Poverty Point culture later it was

1771
01:35:32,190 --> 01:35:27,610
occupied by Poverty Point culture but

1772
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:32,200
it's older than the Poverty Point site

1773
01:35:37,090 --> 01:35:35,600
and I said dr. lists and myself were in

1774
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:37,100
the area we just kept we're knocking on

1775
01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:38,570
doors with people that live near the

1776
01:35:47,670 --> 01:35:42,920
place and this one lady pulls out it's a

1777
01:35:52,290 --> 01:35:47,680
clay ball and it has a rough clay ball

1778
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:52,300
and it has a very finely polished clay

1779
01:35:59,860 --> 01:35:55,370
pipe that fits perfectly through the

1780
01:36:02,290 --> 01:35:59,870
clay ball you know what that tells me is

1781
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:02,300
they were doing something there at very

1782
01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:06,310
high temperatures whether that was a

1783
01:36:15,970 --> 01:36:11,510
account for ceramics or perhaps a crude

1784
01:36:18,820 --> 01:36:15,980
a crude iron refining operation there

1785
01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:18,830
they do that they did have artifacts

1786
01:36:24,340 --> 01:36:19,880
that come from there they call them

1787
01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:24,350
plummets that to a layman such as myself

1788
01:36:31,450 --> 01:36:28,720
they appear to have been made of crude

1789
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:31,460
crude iron ore they look very they're

1790
01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:34,730
very fine objects and they're very very

1791
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:36,710
heavy either made the term that the

1792
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:42,560
archeologist uses is heavy iron ore okay

1793
01:36:50,140 --> 01:36:45,440
I use okay to find iron okay because it

1794
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:50,150
it appears to be like iron to me and so

1795
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:52,250
they this is what Poverty Point was

1796
01:37:01,180 --> 01:36:55,250
known for was for these plummets now at

1797
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,190
the tetrahedrons they are found in in

1798
01:37:06,150 --> 01:37:02,960
quantity and they have some they're at a

1799
01:37:08,290 --> 01:37:06,160
little museum but these little pyramidal

1800
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:08,300
anywhere from you know like two inches

1801
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:11,690
tall roughly but they find them in

1802
01:37:15,550 --> 01:37:13,850
number there and they they were written

1803
01:37:17,010 --> 01:37:15,560
about this far they they don't know what

1804
01:37:20,890 --> 01:37:17,020
their purpose was

1805
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:20,900
so really it's speculation but what they

1806
01:37:26,850 --> 01:37:24,110
could have been used for is uh for for

1807
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:26,860
you know maybe it's flux for a furnace

1808
01:37:31,330 --> 01:37:29,330
to help a furnace come to law you know

1809
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:31,340
high temperatures these were these were

1810
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:31,970
you know

1811
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:35,570
clay artifacts they were there were they

1812
01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:38,110
had been taken to very high temperature

1813
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:40,550
they said because of the color they were

1814
01:37:46,330 --> 01:37:44,960
like almost white so so there's that

1815
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:46,340
potential you know there's also the

1816
01:37:50,650 --> 01:37:48,170
potential that I mean these were these

1817
01:37:54,730 --> 01:37:50,660
artifacts were from the most ancient

1818
01:37:59,410 --> 01:37:54,740
sites the most ancient civilization in

1819
01:38:08,320 --> 01:37:59,420
North America and there is a you know

1820
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:08,330
the idea of geometric you know that

1821
01:38:15,370 --> 01:38:10,810
would have that that had a very

1822
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:15,380
significant shape for the know for that

1823
01:38:19,900 --> 01:38:17,840
realm that school of thought so that

1824
01:38:20,980 --> 01:38:19,910
could have played a role so we really

1825
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,990
don't know what they were but they're

1826
01:38:25,150 --> 01:38:22,880
very interesting and and I would like to

1827
01:38:28,540 --> 01:38:25,160
know you know some be interesting to

1828
01:38:30,430 --> 01:38:28,550
study them further no doubt well what I

1829
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:30,440
find interesting is that they have

1830
01:38:42,970 --> 01:38:35,840
actually found other pyramidal items in

1831
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:42,980
the Americas and in Bosnia by the

1832
01:38:47,650 --> 01:38:46,310
Bosnian pyramid and they were carved you

1833
01:38:50,170 --> 01:38:47,660
know they were actually carved and had

1834
01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:50,180
like little lines on them like you know

1835
01:38:55,450 --> 01:38:53,030
a regular pyramid you would think now

1836
01:38:59,860 --> 01:38:55,460
finding something like that in my part

1837
01:39:04,450 --> 01:38:59,870
in in my expert opinion you know finding

1838
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,460
something like that in Bosnia would

1839
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:06,400
maybe make sense because there is a

1840
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:08,210
potentiality that you know someone

1841
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:10,730
actually saw the pyramids and you know

1842
01:39:19,660 --> 01:39:15,110
made a copy of it but in the Americas to

1843
01:39:23,530 --> 01:39:19,670
find a straight sided pyramid there is

1844
01:39:27,370 --> 01:39:23,540
no exemplar yes you know because all of

1845
01:39:30,850 --> 01:39:27,380
the pyramids - the ones that are in

1846
01:39:34,060 --> 01:39:30,860
Egypt on the Giza Plateau all our step

1847
01:39:37,540 --> 01:39:34,070
pyramids yeah well and Nubia I mean

1848
01:39:40,570 --> 01:39:37,550
there's dude that is the exception to

1849
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:40,580
the rule versus the rule but why would

1850
01:39:44,530 --> 01:39:42,110
you find pyramids

1851
01:39:47,140 --> 01:39:44,540
the Americas which straight sides if

1852
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:47,150
there are no straight sided pyramids in

1853
01:39:52,540 --> 01:39:50,560
the Americas yep

1854
01:39:56,050 --> 01:39:52,550
you know once again in just another

1855
01:39:59,500 --> 01:39:56,060
piece of the puzzle maybe you know yeah

1856
01:40:08,680 --> 01:39:59,510
I don't know and what an incredible

1857
01:40:10,710 --> 01:40:08,690
puzzle it is so you know anyway I want

1858
01:40:13,780 --> 01:40:10,720
to kind of go back and kind of reach

1859
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:13,790
somewhat further back you know I want to

1860
01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:17,090
look at the question of who the earliest

1861
01:40:25,330 --> 01:40:21,190
humans in in the Mississippi area were

1862
01:40:29,740 --> 01:40:25,340
and you know I was doing the research

1863
01:40:32,110 --> 01:40:29,750
and the oldest you know date that I

1864
01:40:36,010 --> 01:40:32,120
could find a fixed to and artifacts

1865
01:40:40,510 --> 01:40:36,020
found in Mississippi was uh they was

1866
01:40:43,660 --> 01:40:40,520
10,000 BC and it's uh some Clovis points

1867
01:40:45,490 --> 01:40:43,670
some spearheads Clovis spear heads so I

1868
01:40:47,020 --> 01:40:45,500
said okay well these the Clovis people

1869
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:47,030
were perhaps the first humans in

1870
01:40:52,990 --> 01:40:50,000
Mississippi and uh one of the dates is

1871
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:53,000
the accepted date back then and this is

1872
01:40:58,210 --> 01:40:55,610
a very artifact found back in the 70s

1873
01:40:59,770 --> 01:40:58,220
with the but they put 10,000 BC on it

1874
01:41:03,040 --> 01:40:59,780
which was probably very controversial at

1875
01:41:06,630 --> 01:41:03,050
the time but if you begin to kind of

1876
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:06,640
study this whole the Clovis culture

1877
01:41:11,550 --> 01:41:08,050
hypothesis

1878
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:11,560
what's begun to emerge is if you follow

1879
01:41:25,950 --> 01:41:17,810
that style of stone technology or

1880
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:25,960
craftsmanship that trail goes back to

1881
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:30,290
across the Atlantic Ocean to the to to

1882
01:41:39,820 --> 01:41:34,970
Europe specifically to to France where

1883
01:41:42,190 --> 01:41:39,830
on that side of the ocean they they're

1884
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:42,200
Lou treants they made stone tools in a

1885
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:46,400
very very very similar fashion then then

1886
01:41:49,870 --> 01:41:48,560
the Clovis people did and those they

1887
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:49,880
find those artifacts up through

1888
01:41:55,810 --> 01:41:52,690
Greenland okay out over into Europe

1889
01:42:00,850 --> 01:41:55,820
however if you tried

1890
01:42:04,030 --> 01:42:00,860
follow that same stone evidence if you

1891
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:04,040
try to find it follow it up to Alaska it

1892
01:42:10,359 --> 01:42:06,650
begins to go cold in Alaska and it goes

1893
01:42:14,589 --> 01:42:10,369
completely cold once you cross across

1894
01:42:17,589 --> 01:42:14,599
the Bering Strait into Siberia that it

1895
01:42:20,260 --> 01:42:17,599
disappears that style of stone

1896
01:42:22,689 --> 01:42:20,270
craftsmanship does not exist in Siberia

1897
01:42:28,180 --> 01:42:22,699
they have a completely different stone

1898
01:42:31,660 --> 01:42:28,190
tool methodology they use small very

1899
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:31,670
small blades that were embedded into to

1900
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,130
bone okay so a completely different

1901
01:42:42,430 --> 01:42:36,320
technology once you cross the Bering

1902
01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:42,440
Strait so so it's it's becoming to be

1903
01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:47,409
accepted that one of the proponents is a

1904
01:42:54,459 --> 01:42:51,310
an archaeologist Denis Stanford of

1905
01:42:56,770 --> 01:42:54,469
Smithsonian and also another gentleman

1906
01:42:59,169 --> 01:42:56,780
Bruce Bradley from the University of

1907
01:43:02,140 --> 01:42:59,179
Exeter they have been the proponents of

1908
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:02,150
this theory and one of the dates that

1909
01:43:13,450 --> 01:43:04,449
they seem to kind of be any about it's

1910
01:43:15,879 --> 01:43:13,460
about 25,000 BC for this in this

1911
01:43:16,810 --> 01:43:15,889
migration of some type from from Europe

1912
01:43:20,260 --> 01:43:16,820
to the Americas

1913
01:43:22,379 --> 01:43:20,270
so this twenty five thousand year time

1914
01:43:28,660 --> 01:43:25,510
predates you know the Asian and

1915
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:28,670
certainly you know the the current

1916
01:43:36,370 --> 01:43:31,670
Native Americans there's a distinct

1917
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:36,380
Asian genetic influence there but it's

1918
01:43:41,620 --> 01:43:39,530
it's they are obviously somewhat

1919
01:43:45,310 --> 01:43:41,630
different than Asians okay there's

1920
01:43:47,339 --> 01:43:45,320
another it's been a blend there's a plan

1921
01:43:49,359 --> 01:43:47,349
there there's no they don't look

1922
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:49,369
specifically agent they look like a

1923
01:43:59,050 --> 01:43:53,210
blend and and specifically you know I

1924
01:44:02,020 --> 01:43:59,060
mean the Cherokees looked look more they

1925
01:44:04,930 --> 01:44:02,030
look more European and then the type of

1926
01:44:07,629 --> 01:44:04,940
Native American that you would find as

1927
01:44:09,230 --> 01:44:07,639
an Alaskan let's say an Alaskan it's

1928
01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:09,240
gonna look very Asian

1929
01:44:17,110 --> 01:44:12,900
a Native Americans from the West he's

1930
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:17,120
going to look as you moved to the east

1931
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:20,370
the Native Americans they they you know

1932
01:44:30,010 --> 01:44:24,570
when they were first encountered

1933
01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:30,020
Europeans they looked much less Asian so

1934
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,780
anybody know what appears happened to

1935
01:44:40,090 --> 01:44:36,480
this first wave of civilization that

1936
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:40,100
came to the Americas about 10,000 BC

1937
01:44:49,070 --> 01:44:43,860
there was a massive cometary event in

1938
01:44:54,170 --> 01:44:49,080
the eastern US it hit there very hard

1939
01:44:56,930 --> 01:44:54,180
and it also in Europe but uh and it's

1940
01:44:57,620 --> 01:44:56,940
evidenced by there's a layer of micro

1941
01:45:01,070 --> 01:44:57,630
diamonds

1942
01:45:02,690 --> 01:45:01,080
you'll find when they when they excavate

1943
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:02,700
these sites and they find these Clovis

1944
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:05,490
artifacts there's a layer of micro

1945
01:45:11,810 --> 01:45:09,330
diamonds on top of the artifacts but not

1946
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:11,820
directly underneath so is that part of

1947
01:45:17,900 --> 01:45:14,880
the Carolina Bay Carolina banks yes

1948
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:17,910
Carol that is certainly the Carolina

1949
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:22,980
Bay's rule yes this particular cometary

1950
01:45:28,130 --> 01:45:25,920
event helped create some of the Carolina

1951
01:45:31,010 --> 01:45:28,140
Bay's some of them are older okay but

1952
01:45:36,230 --> 01:45:31,020
some of the Carolina Bay's were this

1953
01:45:37,790 --> 01:45:36,240
okay and that set back the Clovis slash

1954
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:37,800
saluted people to where they were

1955
01:45:44,690 --> 01:45:42,210
probably either wiped out or reduced to

1956
01:45:51,230 --> 01:45:44,700
the point where the Asians sort of

1957
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:51,240
assimilated them and so do you think

1958
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:53,910
that you know because there's a lot of

1959
01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:56,850
people that talk about things that

1960
01:46:02,000 --> 01:45:59,190
happened around 10,000 BC you know the

1961
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:02,010
end of the wooly mammoth and the other

1962
01:46:09,230 --> 01:46:06,690
giant mammal creatures that were all

1963
01:46:12,440 --> 01:46:09,240
over the planet do you think that this

1964
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,450
Carolina Bay's impact was responsible

1965
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:14,880
for a global catastrophe not just a

1966
01:46:18,860 --> 01:46:16,170
local catastrophe

1967
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:18,870
it would appear so yeah it would appear

1968
01:46:25,399 --> 01:46:22,800
so but it was a significant event

1969
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:25,409
that you know it hit certain areas worse

1970
01:46:31,490 --> 01:46:27,679
than others but you know they have found

1971
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:31,500
Mastodon remains with with meteorite

1972
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,170
fragments embedded in them as well as

1973
01:46:46,750 --> 01:46:36,480
human remains with meteorite fragments

1974
01:46:49,939 --> 01:46:46,760
and benedetto that date to the zero okay

1975
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:49,949
so what do you think caused because it

1976
01:46:59,419 --> 01:46:55,710
seems like when Westerners came to the

1977
01:47:01,819 --> 01:46:59,429
Americas there you know and I might be

1978
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:01,829
talking out of a totally biased comment

1979
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:05,610
but it appears as if the level of

1980
01:47:12,350 --> 01:47:09,570
culture and civilization that they did

1981
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:12,360
find had declined from something that

1982
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:16,800
was at a much higher level do you have

1983
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:19,770
any thoughts on why these cultures did

1984
01:47:25,839 --> 01:47:23,040
decline yeah well you got up this look

1985
01:47:28,089 --> 01:47:25,849
at the accounts from from DeSoto's

1986
01:47:31,549 --> 01:47:28,099
historian who would have been the first

1987
01:47:38,270 --> 01:47:31,559
European to encounter Native Americans

1988
01:47:43,310 --> 01:47:38,280
and DeSoto's historian describes a far

1989
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:43,320
far more advanced indigenous people

1990
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:49,260
he describes they had furniture covered

1991
01:47:58,970 --> 01:47:53,760
in tapestry they had tapestries hanging

1992
01:48:01,729 --> 01:47:58,980
on their walls they had a houses with

1993
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:01,739
walls around them but it walls around

1994
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:04,770
the houses they had quote-unquote

1995
01:48:15,700 --> 01:48:07,250
churches with steeples

1996
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:15,710
they had large regularly surveyed farms

1997
01:48:23,870 --> 01:48:19,170
they traveled in embarked in large in

1998
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:23,880
royal barges and they had kings and

1999
01:48:37,979 --> 01:48:32,550
these are the words of sotas historian

2000
01:48:39,839 --> 01:48:37,989
so now what likely happened from okay

2001
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:39,849
very quick though very close we need to

2002
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:41,650
wrap up all right actually really need

2003
01:48:53,070 --> 01:48:48,610
to go somebody say that again okay okay

2004
01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:53,080
get the book that's what you say so if

2005
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:54,670
somebody wants to get a copy of your

2006
01:48:59,060 --> 01:48:57,010
book ancient Mississippi in where where

2007
01:49:01,859 --> 01:48:59,070
is the best place to send them

2008
01:49:04,939 --> 01:49:01,869
amazon.com just type in ancient

2009
01:49:06,899 --> 01:49:04,949
Mississippi or my name brand and heard

2010
01:49:08,609 --> 01:49:06,909
well okay

2011
01:49:12,839 --> 01:49:08,619
hey Brandon thanks for coming on the

2012
01:49:14,939 --> 01:49:12,849
show and enlightening people to all this

2013
01:49:16,589 --> 01:49:14,949
stuff that is you know right in their

2014
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:16,599
own backyard that they don't even know

2015
01:49:21,570 --> 01:49:19,119
about yeah well thanks for having me

2016
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:21,580
it's a little pleasure to share who

2017
01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:24,159
knows though it's kind of turned into a

2018
01:49:28,919 --> 01:49:26,440
passion for me yeah well that's really

2019
01:49:31,379 --> 01:49:28,929
cool keep it up you know keep knocking

2020
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:31,389
on doors because that's just really cool

2021
01:49:36,209 --> 01:49:34,480
yeah we've only just begun here cool all

2022
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:36,219
right well I'm gonna let you go and I

2023
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:41,679
was talking to Mitch that's Brandon her

2024
01:49:47,129 --> 01:49:44,170
new book is each of Mississippi you can

2025
01:49:48,839 --> 01:49:47,139
like his page on Facebook which is H

2026
01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:48,849
Mississippi which has all kinds of

2027
01:49:54,500 --> 01:49:52,199
pictures and great stuff and then next

2028
01:49:59,000 --> 01:49:54,510
we have Jennifer O'Neill coming on to

2029
01:50:04,340 --> 01:49:59,010
talk about and then Rick Delano coming